Marc Lepine’s father Liess Gharbi was an Algerian immigrant, a Muslim Extremist who taught his boy how to hate women...
Dawg's unpacked this formulation ages ago, so I'm not going to bother. More to the point, the University of Toronto has discovered JDL's plan and asked them to nix it:
Dear JDL Canada,
It has come to our attention that your website indicates you are planning to host an event next Tuesday, December 6th in Philosopher's Walk. The property in question is owned by the University and is not available for groups to book. As well, Philosopher's Walk will be the site of the annual Women Won't Forget candlelight vigil on the same date at the memorial location.
I would kindly insist that you relocate your event and not use Philosopher's Walk.
Sincerely,
Steve Bailey
Steven Bailey
Director, Office of Space Management
University of Toronto
McMurrich Building, 4th Floor
12 Queen's Park Crescent West
Toronto, ON
M5S 1S8
But, last I looked, Meir Weinstein still intends to go ahead with the JDL demonstration, which decision can only be characterized as depraved:
Dear Steve Bailey,
The Women Won't Forget candlelight vigil is a public event. I believe it is important for the public to attend. JDL is part of a multi faith coalition that respects and supports events for Dec 6th. The victims of Marc Lepine should be remembered. We are asking our supporters to attend and light a candle.
Sincerly
Meir Weinstein
National Director Jewish Defence League of Canada
Given the JDL's penchant for confrontation, though, what happens if one of the WWF people, quite justifiably outraged by the fact that their event is being used as a platform for race-baiting, tries to jam one of those candles up Meir Weinstein's ass. Will we see that patented spin & kick move of his, that he hasn't used much lately since his hip went? After all, he can't rely on the "security detail" from Canadian Hindu Advocacy; those two skinny hindi don't weigh 98 lbs together in a sack.
47 comments:
Clearly, progressive ideology trumps any facts or blame that must rest on the murderer. This event must continue to be torqued to blame inanimate objects, rather than the criminals who commit these crimes.
Clearly there is a reason you are called Ridofbrain. Nice conclusion jumping and blanket summarization. Think independently much?
I seem to remember Lepine was actually a Catholic through baptism (mom was a former nun) though he lived much his life an atheist. Aside from Lepine's non-practicing Muslim father who was absent through most of Lepine's life, Meir is sort of full of it.
Meir could give a damn about the women who were murdered. He simply wants to assign collective guilt. ere's something that you might
Hey, ridenrain, could we at least agree that Lepine was a misogynistic jerk who the world is better off without? Can we at least find some common ground there?
We can agree on that but let's push the envelope a little more.
Could we agree on the death penalty for such clear and proven examples of multiple murder?
The Canadian Hindu Advocacy, Canada's largest representative of Hindus, is
disturbed to learn of your institution's attempts to infringe our
community's right to attend and support public events.
Large numbers of people from Canada's most prominent multi faith coalition
will be attending the Candle Light Vigil on December 6th. They will
include members and supporters not just of JDL, but also from
International Christian Voice, Canadian Hindu Advocacy, and Costa
Christian Mission.
We anticipate your full support for the noble participation of our members
and supporters in this worthy cause.
Neal Karia
Canadian Hindu Advocacy
ridenrain
re: death sentence. No we can't agree. Just what we need, more death so you can feel like something has been achieved and go all warm, fuzzy and righteous inside.
ridofbrain hasn't had an original thought in years. Trolls can't think.
I would just note that the comment Neal from the CHA deleted was far crazier than this new one. Congrats on some some degree of self-awareness, Neal lad.
State sanctioned murder is still murder, ridenrain. I can't speak for the rest of the Collective, but I am very much against capital punishment in all cases.
Neal: So, to sum up, you're upset that you and your JDL friends are being criticized for hijacking a memorial to murdered women so that you can selfishly further your own political ends completely unrelated to the event that is being remembered?
Thought so.
I just now read Dawg's rant. Marc Lepine was exposed to hatred of women from his father. Find me a medical expert that would argue with me on that. Not all cultures teach the same values.
I kind of want to see Neal's original post.
In all seriousness, yeah we get a good laugh out of the antics out of JDL and CHA, but i feel this time they are kind of crossing the line. Many people, myslef included consider violence against women to be something very serious. Crashing this event is inappropriate by all standards. No matter how grandious CHA and JDL put it, what they are attempting to do makes me and many others sick to our stomachs.
I truly hope many of them decide to stay at home as it is obvious the organizers for the vigil and the university feel that they are unwelcome.
Hey Meir, what you are planning to do tomorrow is depraved. Its really that simple. I know I've criticized you a lot so you probably don't take this seriously. But its really beyond the pale. As much as protesting the TDSB thing during class time (which I am glad to hear you haven't yet done).
PS. The message Neal deleted claimed this all was, at the end of the day, about Valley Park. That's nuts.
There is no attempt to hijack this event. Someone has to speak out against evil such as honour killings. JDL is pro women rights.
Weinstein, you and your rag-tag group of allies are filth. There is simply no other word that fits. You're no different from the Fred Phelps funeral picketers, except--what is worse--you claim to be on the side of the people whose service you are threatening to desecrate.
But here are a few facts:
1) Lépine's father was a non-practising Muslim;
2) His mother took care of him from the age of five onward: there was little or no contact with the father after the parents separated;
3) He was baptized Roman Catholic, although he received no religious instruction as a child.
The Weinsteins of this world, although they sometimes claim otherwise, are racists. Clearly they believe that Islam is a genetic condition.
If you macho creeps show up on the campus to bully the women gathered there, here's one person, God help me, who'd chip in for a visit by Lt. John Pike. Bastards.
Anyone who refuses to acknowledge that Islam is especially oppressive to women .. more so than all other faiths by a factor of 10,000 ... is living in Disneyland.
Sure there may be some of that in every culture, but Islam is uniquely guilty to an extent that no other religion is.
The Mark Lepine massacre had nothing to do with Canada or Canadians. we believe it was an Islamic crime... which occured in Canada thanks to the Cdn govt letting in hordes of radical Islamist monsters from a stone age cult.. and Islam bears 100 percent responsibility for it.
Neal Karia
Hey, Karia--where do you stand on bride-burning, you insufferable creep? OK because Hindus do it?
Not only are we not hijacking the memorial, we are adding to it and providing a dimension that Islamo fascists like to ignore and cover up. Those who 'memorialize' those women without actually naming the root cause for their fate... ie radical Islam.. are actually spitting on the graves of those victims. Antonia Zerbesias can go report and print that in the Islamic Star and Crescent tomorrow if she wishes.
The spirits of those women are undoubtedly thanking CHA and JDL for honouring their memories correctly.
And yes, the TDSB, by allowing mysogynystic and vile Islamic prayers within Valley Park, are certainly ensuring that many more Gamil Gharbis will commit vile crimes in the future.
The TDSB slogan ought to be 'Proudly breeding little Gamil Gharbis'.
Our great organizations have been overwhelmed by support from Muslim and non Muslim women for our heroic stand and courageous battle and righteous conduct.
We are truly heroes and deserve to be lionized.
Neal Karia
"We are truly heroes and deserve to be lionized."
In the Roman sense. I'd go for that.
DAWG, MAKE MY DAY.
I'm challenging you now, gaandu.
You are cowards. Any idiot can desecrate a memorial service.
Give up bride-burning yet? 5,000 dowry deaths a year in India. Creep. Do something about it. Why isn't your community protesting?
No thanks, I'll stick fighting the Islamic oppression against women and children. Everyone know that attempts to talk about 'Jewish mysogyny' or Indian bride burnings are just an attempt to deflect the conversation away from the real culprits, which are invariably linked to Islam.
Tell ya what tho Dawg... next time a Hindu kills 14 women in Montreal... we'll be right on it!
Dont say we dont know how to compromise!
Neal Karia
Marc Lepine was exposed to hatred of women from his father. Find me a medical expert that would argue with me on that.
Judith Richard Harris: Peers are more important than parents or genetics in influencing a child's behaviour.
Honour Killings occur in a lot of cultures and a lot of religions. Heck a guy shooting his partner cause she wants to leave him is IMO Honour Killing.
I'd also add those guys who decide to murder their own children because their wives have decided to leave them.
In the end the vigil will be about an end to violence. I'm not sure how propagating hatred of another group will bring peace. Levine saw women as monsters. If we learn anything from that day, it's the dangerous path we head on when we start dividing the women into them and us.
Hey, Neal, you're Gujurati, right? Why do your school textbooks teach that Hitler was a hero?
5,000 dowry deaths in India every year, and you have the nerve to honk on about Islamic misogyny? Get your own house in order, gaandu. That's as many murders as all the "honour killings" in the world combined!
Source: http://www.unfpa.org/swp/2000/english/ch03.html
By your own logic, we should be shipping you back to Gujurat on the first available boat. Lucky not all of us think like you.
Er, I meant: "Levine saw women as monsters. If we learn anything from that day, it's the dangerous path we head on when we start dividing the world into them and us."
No thanks, I'll stick fighting the Islamic oppression against women and children. Everyone know that attempts to talk about 'Jewish mysogyny' or Indian bride burnings are just an attempt to deflect the conversation away from the real culprits, which are invariably linked to Islam.
No. It doesn't. That's just bizarre. Even if every last follower of Islam was removed from the face of this planet, there would still be violence against women.
Things have to change, but I don't think replacing one prejudice will ever improve things.
Let's consider this idea instead:
“You must be the change you want to see in the world.”
--Mahatma Gandhi.
"Tell ya what tho Dawg... next time a Hindu kills 14 women in Montreal... we'll be right on it!"
But 5000 in India? Who the hell cares, right?
Would you prefer the English translation--asshole?
See, no racial slur. Just contempt.
5000 dowry deaths a year in India and you're on about Islamic misogyny. Dahej is a Hindu custom, by the way. But you knew that.
You're an arch-hypocrite. Tell us about the Hitler-worshipping textbooks in Gujurat. Does your pal Meir approve?
So I started reading the comments here from CHA. I can honestly say I have not seen anything like it since I was in grade school. Chest thumping, bullying language, "i dare you...no I take it back I double-dog dare you!!!"
This is a joke right? A sick joke but there is no such thing as CHA is there? Its April Fools four months early, please tell me it is.
10:46 PM
Tomorrow, we will have dozens of posters with pictures of Islamic women being stoned to death and acid thrown into the faces of Muslim women.
Our camera person will get some nice shots of this. We'll post em here and on our websites.
We've also sent press releases and have personally been called by media outlets.
Canadians will know thta this Montreal massacre was an Islamic crime.
Neal Karia
"And dowry is common among Sikhs and Christians in India also."
But you're still focusing on Muslims. Time for a new evasion, a new alibi. You're beginning to come apart.
5,000 dowry deaths a year in India. In fact, that number seems to be on the rise. And you don't give a damn. You aren't standing up for women, you hypocrite. You're just using them to further your own hateful ends.
Tell us about the textbooks, Neal.
I am sorry, I am a big fan of big city liberal and this is an important post. But honestly this discussion has degraded into something quite sick.
There are women dying at the hands of men. What the religion or culture of the man is irrelevant because they must face justice.
Can we please focus on those women who are dying and not try to use this event to promote hatred against another group (hindu, muslim, whatever). And please, for those who posted on this section, if you do show up to support the vigil tomorrow, please leave your race and religion hating at home.
Focus on solutions, work with religious and cultural communities as well as society as a whole to end violence against women.
Harvey, women are not being killed at the hands of 'men', they are being killed by Islamic men. Big difference there.
Islam is a key part of this problem and our signs and posters will NOT cover this up or hide this.
There'll be lots of us, there will be many signs, and there will be media.
Neal Karia
the dowry deaths in India are being done mostly by non Hindus
Not so. Dowry is primarily a Hindu custom, and most dowry deaths are in Hindu families.
Sources:
http://www.mahavidya.ca/dharma-and-the-individual/the-hindu-dowry-system-origin
And this study:
"Hindu female victims comprised of an alarmingly large group (94.04%); while the number of deaths in the other religious groups especially Muslim, Sikh and Christian communities were negligible."
There's a huge literature on this subject, and I'm sure that Neal can pursue his own further research. I can provide a reading list to get him started if he insists upon it.
Pace commenter Harvey Weinberg, I'm not singling out any group: misogyny, unfortunately, is pretty well universal. I'm merely pointing out some shocking pot-kettle-black hypocrisy on the part of our evasive BJP friend here.
I am actually wondering if Neal is Ron Bannerjee.
I am not going to argue anymore. Also will the multifaith coalition be doing chants and speeches during the vigil? According to the women won't forget website there will be speeches. So i wanted to know if the multifaith coalition will be giving a speech or have chants.
Wow..
This murder was committed with a legally owned firearm, by a man, however awful, passed all the rules and regulations. The gun registry as it stood, would have done nothing to stop these murders, and to continue to support it is flawed ideology. I didn’t work nor could it be made to work so it’s use as a tool in fighting crime is useless. The only way it could work is registration then confiscation which is what I believe to be the ultimate goal of the registry.
As for public events.. they are open to the public, are they not? Sounds like someone is worried the facts might get in the way of someone’s weak agenda.
This murder was committed with a legally owned firearm, by a man, however awful, passed all the rules and regulations. The gun registry as it stood, would have done nothing to stop these murders, and to continue to support it is flawed ideology. I didn’t work nor could it be made to work so it’s use as a tool in fighting crime is useless.
The car registry didn't stop these murders either, what is your point? Your conclusion, that it is useless in fighting crime does not follow from your premise. Record keeping makes it tougher for legal weapons to become illegal with nobody noticing.
The only way it could work is registration then confiscation which is what I believe to be the ultimate goal of the registry.
As for public events.. they are open to the public, are they not?
Baloney. Why must the rest of us suffer and some be killed for your beliefs? Why exactly, does a government with every weapon short of atomic ones, have any need to confiscate your peashooters? The registration of weapons provides traceability. Every weapon started off legal and registered. People can start dope grow ops in their basement with a few seeds, but you can't reasonably manufacture firearms in your basement. All guns start off legal. Why are you against record keeping that allows us to determine where they got diverted? I thought righties were for accountability. Is accountability only for money? Is it not for deadly weapons too?
Sounds like someone is worried the facts might get in the way of someone’s weak agenda.
You and your agenda just got run over by the facts.
Case in point. If I was a cop reading this thread, I would be accessing the registry right now. Under Harper's new gun nirvana, I would be able to determine which of the posters (the ones using their real names) have a possession and acquisition license. Harper would have us believe that's all I need to know to determine what range of problems to prepare for at this planned demonstration.
Under the existing system, I could also determine how many firearms each of the posters here has.
If Liberal Supporter and his goons are attending some demonstration, and he happens to own 100 firearms, I, as a cop assigned to this demonstration would want to know that. LS would be less likely to hand these weapons out to his goons if he knows they are registered and can be traced to him.
Wow, look what happens when you go to bed early.
Hardy, I am pretty sure that Neal is Ron.
I believe that's a secondary meaning, similar to the word "culo" in Italian. Primary meaning is as I said: it's adjectival in form, literally "ass-y."
Here's a film I wouldn't mind seeing: http://twitchfilm.com/reviews/2011/02/saiff-gandu-asshole-review.php
No, among non-Indians gaandu is a racial term, like calling a black man Sambo. Dr Dawg is clearly a hateful bigot, a tool of Islamic fundamentalists
Dr Dawg knows very well that most of the poverty, terrorism, and crime in India is commited by Muslims, but cleverly chooses to blame it on Hindus.
Hindus of India have the best human rights record on the planet, but sadly it is tainted by the actions of other groups who have infested the nation.
But dont worry we'll disclose all of that tonite.
Neal Karia
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