tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post1152067206711152429..comments2024-03-28T00:54:34.206-04:00Comments on BigCityLib Strikes Back: Tories: "Canadian Heritage" Includes Western Separatismbigcitylibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-4869922166377613062009-03-30T10:34:00.000-04:002009-03-30T10:34:00.000-04:00Evil Brad:Lighten up!There is a strong tongue-in-c...Evil Brad:<BR/>Lighten up!<BR/>There is a strong tongue-in-cheek element to the Cascadia discussion.<BR/>If Quebec hasn't managed to leave, Cascadia isn't likely to either.<BR/><BR/>However, the *realistic* part of this discussion is that which caused Garreau to write his book in the first place:<BR/><BR/>different areas have legitimately-different economies, politics, and worldviews, and those areas sometimes cross political boundaries, which can lead to confusing politics.<BR/><BR/>Garreau was trying to explain the politics of places like Colorado (the Eastern half of which is ~Kansas) or California, in which he viewed Sacramento not as a real capitol, but a border town between warring philosophies (or something like that).John Masheyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17786354229618237133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-40675706270885782822009-03-29T21:51:00.000-04:002009-03-29T21:51:00.000-04:00re: Mound of Sound & CascadiaNorcal (which is ...re: Mound of Sound & Cascadia<BR/><BR/>Norcal (which is different from Socal) is sometimes included in Cascadia/Ecotopia proposals: note that Garreau used San Francisco as the Ecotopia capitol. If you follow his split, you get Silicon Valley as well.<BR/>Really, you need not take Los Angeles to get SF.<BR/><BR/>Even better, maybe we'd get direct flights from San Francisco to Kelowna, B.C. which would be nice for those of us who ski at Big White.John Masheyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17786354229618237133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-50933449110491746102009-03-29T21:47:00.000-04:002009-03-29T21:47:00.000-04:00All this talk of Cascadia and other regional blocs...All this talk of Cascadia and other regional blocs is pure nonsense. it reminds me of when people talk about redrawing Africa and the Middle East to replace the European-imposed borders with ethnic or tribal ones. Many of those "artificial" countries have been around for just long enough that they are at least as real as any other way of dividing up the map.<BR/>Just try redrawing a few borders there and see what happens. Or recall what happened the last time folks down south tried to change borders in the US. <BR/>It would not be too long before a newly "independent" Alberta would find itself fighting off separatists in the north or incursions from outside. There are still enough people out west whose first loyalty is to Canada to make that a certainty. <BR/>That's the sort of thing that happens when you start tearing up long-standing contracts.<BR/>There's a good reason that treason is considered such a serious crime.Evil Bradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02822636468230493479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-91908401395154420662009-03-28T22:42:00.000-04:002009-03-28T22:42:00.000-04:00John Mashey has a point. I think if BC was to sep...John Mashey has a point. I think if BC was to separate it would be to enter a union with Oregon and Washington. California has never been an integral part of that deal because it would dominate all the others. For reasons I don't grasp (other than their taste in governors) Alaska isn't included either.<BR/><BR/>I can attest to an affinity between British Columbians and the people of Washington and Oregon. We're all centre-left. It's unlike anything I've seen in any other part of Canada. We'd probably be the only nation in the world that could meet it's energy needs with hydro-electric and geo-thermal.<BR/><BR/>Then we Cascadians can live happily ever after selling you outsiders really poorly written software and delightful airplanes as well as fish, minerals and good softwood lumber.<BR/><BR/>Oh yeah, California. Eventually southern Cal will revert to Mexico (it really is theirs) and we'll take everything from Monterey and Big Sur north. <BR/><BR/>Up the revolution!The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-8979542446053090162009-03-28T22:22:00.000-04:002009-03-28T22:22:00.000-04:00I recommend Joel Garreau's Nine Nations of North A...I recommend Joel Garreau's <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Nations_of_North_America" REL="nofollow">Nine Nations of North America</A> for anyone who hasn't read it.<BR/><BR/>When visiting Canada, I've often tried these out:<BR/><BR/>1) Canada is more different from the USA than most Americans think.<BR/><BR/>2) Canada is more like America than many Canadians think.<BR/><BR/>3) But, if we had to start from scratch, the East-West boundary might get replaced to more North-South ones, akin to Garreau's map.<BR/><BR/>After all, "La La Land", which often refers to Los Angeles (or sometimes California as a whole), also seems to apply to Vancouver, and Denver & Calgary certainly have similarities.<BR/><BR/>See also <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement)" REL="nofollow">Cascadia independence movement</A>, <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecotopia" REL="nofollow">Ecotopia</A>, and <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state_secession_proposals" REL="nofollow">US state secession proposals.</A> See especially 27 attempts in California to split us up. And there's the <A HREF="http://www.akip.org/" REL="nofollow">Alaska Independence Party</A>.John Masheyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17786354229618237133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-84095623318652795052009-03-28T17:34:00.000-04:002009-03-28T17:34:00.000-04:00Suzanne,We have a specific example here. Could yo...Suzanne,<BR/><BR/>We have a specific example here. Could you be specific?<BR/><BR/>Like, Lib. govs.giving money to magazines that actually give help and comfort to Que. separatists.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-89883953157702864652009-03-28T15:08:00.000-04:002009-03-28T15:08:00.000-04:00How is this different than giving tons of federal ...How is this different than giving tons of federal money to Quebec separatists, e.g. films and the like?<BR/><BR/>Not that I approve in either case.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15038275826830875246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-36471376601959967592009-03-28T12:46:00.000-04:002009-03-28T12:46:00.000-04:00Do you have any idea how sick of this Calgary bull...Do you have any idea how sick of this Calgary bullshit BC'ers are?<BR/><BR/>The political heart of British Columbia is coastal and it is resolutely federal.<BR/><BR/>The nutjob Calgary separatists (I call them "Albortions") have this idea they can pull this off and not be landlocked.<BR/><BR/>When world oil prices are up they're arrogant and mean. When the bottom falls out, they're just mean. Their province is a roller coaster of economic instability, a one trick pony with a bum leg.<BR/><BR/>Remember when Ralph Klein wanted no ceiling on Alberta oil prices but also wanted a floor - a minimum price Canadians would be bound to pay? And that was back in his drinking days when he was likeable!The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-49848149346816568452009-03-28T10:17:00.000-04:002009-03-28T10:17:00.000-04:00Offhand, "The Report" looks like what sprang up to...Offhand, "The Report" looks like what sprang up to fill the gap after the Byfield family's Alberta Report/Report magazines collapsed.<BR/><BR/>Most of the same writers, and the editorial content looks very similar.<BR/><BR/>RuralSandi: Since the WCC was/is Christie's creation, there's definitely a connection there.<BR/><BR/>As for Crutcher, well, let's just say he hangs out with the perpetual malcontent conservative crowd in the area. They are extreme right wing in all respects.MgShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11183962674882855323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-89903595667101306912009-03-28T09:51:00.000-04:002009-03-28T09:51:00.000-04:00Interesting - in wiki I read about Ablonczy about ...Interesting - in wiki I read about Ablonczy about 2 years ago and her involvement in Western Canada Concepts - it has now been changed to -for a short period of time.<BR/><BR/>This indicates that this could be a sore issue for the Cons.RuralSandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09552973218865121867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-71060413386162294322009-03-28T08:54:00.000-04:002009-03-28T08:54:00.000-04:00Kind of hard to describe what they are. They seem...Kind of hard to describe what they are. They seem to see themselves as providing financial support toseparatist parties, rather than being a party as such.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-39761773767106797912009-03-28T08:02:00.000-04:002009-03-28T08:02:00.000-04:00Have they any connection to the Western Concepts G...Have they any connection to the Western Concepts Group - wanting to separate Man/Sask/Alta/BC and NWT from Canada and who wanted to preserve Christian and European values? Diane Ablonczy was an active member of this group at one time.RuralSandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09552973218865121867noreply@blogger.com