tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post1375914949061246410..comments2024-03-17T03:16:44.995-04:00Comments on BigCityLib Strikes Back: Briffa, Mark II: McIntyre Used Biased Samplebigcitylibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-1439028855616739152009-10-29T13:10:37.240-04:002009-10-29T13:10:37.240-04:00Rob's not reading anymore. We were too mean t...Rob's not reading anymore. We were too mean to him, thus providing more evidence that AGW is a hoax.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-56773875051766256082009-10-29T13:02:36.519-04:002009-10-29T13:02:36.519-04:00Longer Rob Harvie:
40% of voters in a poll suppor...Longer Rob Harvie:<br /><br />40% of voters in a poll support the Conservatives and 41% support the Liberals or NDP, thus disproving AGW.<br />And this is but the latest triumph of Pollscience which has also proven that Saddam was responsible for 9/11, falsified the Theory of Evolution, and proven that Celine Dion and Garth Brooks are two of the greatest musicians of all time.Lennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05937127608668201556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-67550962767201177992009-10-29T10:45:32.861-04:002009-10-29T10:45:32.861-04:00..at some point, only a sociopath refuses to ask, ...<i>..at some point, only a sociopath refuses to ask, "maybe it's me".</i><br /><br />Sure Rob. Insisting that someone else be reasonably informed about something when they have strong opinions about it is the hallmark of a sociopath.<br /><br />Tell me: What do you believe that 40% of decided voters translates to in terms of actual voters? Probably not much more than the 22% of the eligible electorate who voted Conservative in the last election. Given that a margin of Canadians have various personality disorders and given...<i>beyond a shadow of a doubt</i>...that most right wingers are lunatics, it really isn't "just me." Not by a long shot.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-17860857590803287622009-10-29T09:14:03.819-04:002009-10-29T09:14:03.819-04:00Read todays post.
Tories 40
Liberals 26
NDP 15
....Read todays post.<br /><br />Tories 40<br />Liberals 26<br />NDP 15<br /><br />..at some point, only a sociopath refuses to ask, "maybe it's me".Robert G. Harvie, Q.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10414822301931567654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-45697995641793013812009-10-28T15:50:51.385-04:002009-10-28T15:50:51.385-04:00Shorter Rob Harvie:
It'll be your fault if th...Shorter Rob Harvie:<br /><br />It'll be your fault if the sea swallows the Maldives because you were mean to me!<br />Also, if we want to get anything done we have to find the "middle ground" between science and anti-science.Lennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05937127608668201556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-55894542779259239202009-10-28T15:02:32.289-04:002009-10-28T15:02:32.289-04:00So get your ass over to the Conservative blogs and...<i>So get your ass over to the Conservative blogs and try to educate them...</i><br /><br />That'll never happen. He's scared to death of them. You should see how his fellow Albertans tore a strip off of him when he criticised the Wild Rose thing-a-ma-whatsit.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-44626679366124271792009-10-28T14:23:46.567-04:002009-10-28T14:23:46.567-04:00Rob "..It's like you have a Conservative ...Rob "..It's like you have a Conservative who is trying to get other conservatives to soften their position on the climate issue - and rather than, apparently, show weakness, you attack and diminish the effort..."<br /><br />So get your ass over to the Conservative blogs and try to educate them. If you make an honest effort they will probably burn you at the stake, but that's rightwing conservatives for you.Holly Stickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01137842937086115228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-51953297308781468232009-10-28T14:19:01.766-04:002009-10-28T14:19:01.766-04:00FrankD: I pointed out specific errors in what he ...FrankD: I pointed out specific errors in what he presented and detailed why they were in error. Can you find anything wrong with my analysis? <br /><br />However for the record, I am willing to debate Lord Monckton anytime.<br /><br />Regards,<br />JohnJohn Crosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02036006173970624026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-46723864324468980592009-10-28T13:54:47.753-04:002009-10-28T13:54:47.753-04:00Sure, Monckton has a history of lying, has no scie...<i>Sure, Monckton has a history of lying, has no scientific training whatsoever and can't get any of his claims published in the literature, but I believe him because I'm a "skeptic".</i><br /><br />Up is down with these people.<br /><br />Ironically, they provide me with a weird kind of heuristic that enables me to make a lot of decisions quickly: whatever they recommend, do the opposite. It's marvellous how well that's worked since 9/11.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-26287583345639325122009-10-28T13:48:41.038-04:002009-10-28T13:48:41.038-04:00yes, health care in Canada is perfect, there are n...<i>yes, health care in Canada is perfect, there are no waiting lists and everyone who wants a family doctor in Toronto has one)</i><br /><br />Nice strawman, counsellor.<br /><br />I refuse to take seriously people who are minimally informed or entirely ignorant of the subject about which they have, nonetheless (and mystifyingly) strong opinions.<br /><br />Why would anyone?Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-647272795823100032009-10-28T13:39:36.065-04:002009-10-28T13:39:36.065-04:00You are such a bunch of ignorant bigots, it's ...You are such a bunch of ignorant bigots, it's laughable that you deride others for being "narrow minded".<br /><br />Are the "converted" truly that ignorant? I understand TG's limitations (yes, health care in Canada is perfect, there are no waiting lists and everyone who wants a family doctor in Toronto has one).. but is it really better to stick to your own understanding that to make REASONABLE effort to communicate with those who happen to not agree with you?<br /><br />My earlier post was not completely in jest. If we believe the worst of the predictions on climate change, as you people are busy patting yourselves on the back - the Maldives could disappear. Literally.<br /><br />Because, apparently, there is only one way to respond to the climate change issue and that is to assure complete and total acceptance of your point of view. And if the price in that insistence is that nothing constructive gets done - well, you would prefer that to modest and certain progress.<br /><br />This is Stephane Dion in a microcosm. He was convinced of his "rightness" on this point, and put it to the electorate - and got thrashed.<br /><br />Now the Liberals cry in their beer, about how "stupid" everyone was who supported Harper, but, the reality is that it's Harper in power and not Dion. <br /><br />Think about THAT. <br /><br />And think about THIS - if you, and those like you who refuse to make any effort to reach out to the great unwashed masses, get your asses kicked again, and Harper ends up with a majority.. well, you can again feel very smug that you were right.<br /><br />It's like you have a Conservative who is trying to get other conservatives to soften their position on the climate issue - and rather than, apparently, show weakness, you attack and diminish the effort.<br /><br />I'm sure the citizens of the Maldives will be raising a plaque(or perhaps submerging a plaque) in honor of the great brain trusts who were "right", but, in the end, got nothing done because they didn't have the simplest clue how to engage those who didn't agree with them.Robert G. Harvie, Q.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10414822301931567654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-30327820207041038142009-10-28T13:18:03.123-04:002009-10-28T13:18:03.123-04:00Shorter Frank:
Sure, Monckton has a history of ly...Shorter Frank:<br /><br />Sure, Monckton has a history of lying, has no scientific training whatsoever and can't get any of his claims published in the literature, but I believe him because I'm a "skeptic".Lennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05937127608668201556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-79275943223562849052009-10-28T13:14:32.389-04:002009-10-28T13:14:32.389-04:00Here's my favourite Monckton story.
I just do...<i>Here's my favourite Monckton story.</i><br /><br />I just don't get it. Don't the deniers ever wonder that if their champions lie so blithely about simple matters of fact like this, that there's absolutely nothing stopping them from lying about small details that are nearly impossible to verify?<br /><br />I suspect they do, but, as usual, just don't care.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-88098972372297770822009-10-28T13:07:58.809-04:002009-10-28T13:07:58.809-04:00Shut up, FrankDenier.
It's funny...on another...Shut up, FrankD<i>enier</i>.<br /><br />It's funny...on another blog, Rob is screaming about how the health care system is headed for disaster and yet is dismissing the science used to predict future events with respect to the climate.<br /><br />In what grade did you drop math, Rob?Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-87469896944253668672009-10-28T12:44:43.693-04:002009-10-28T12:44:43.693-04:00Rob, most warmers couldn't stand a real debate...Rob, most warmers couldn't stand a real debate. You can't debate a religion, it's a belief. So they just dismiss any and all dissenting views as kooks, oil lobbyists etc. If you like, here is the full 90 minute St. Paul, Mn presentation by Lord Monckton. Watch the Lord eviscerate Al Gore, the IPCC and its <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0" rel="nofollow">cherry picked, data manipulated, pseudo science</a>. <br /><br />Monckton has repeatedly offered to debate Al Gore anytime anywhere. But Gore is nothing more than a script reading front man for the warming religion and is heavily conflicted with his personal investments in <a href="http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover031307.htm" rel="nofollow">carbon trading schemes</a>. Don't look for that debate anytime soon.Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18297103542166827777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-51519882627020549522009-10-28T12:39:52.317-04:002009-10-28T12:39:52.317-04:00Shorter Rob:
A real consensus can only happen whe...Shorter Rob:<br /><br />A real consensus can only happen when we find the middle ground between what the science says, and what I believe.Lennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05937127608668201556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-88650232910092416702009-10-28T12:25:14.800-04:002009-10-28T12:25:14.800-04:00Ok. You all win. You are smart, and I am stupid....Ok. You all win. You are smart, and I am stupid.<br /><br />Now go have fun watching the Maldives disappear as you're patting yourselves on the back that you didn't need to enter into a discussion with those "inferior" to you.<br /><br />How's that "greenshift" program going by the way?Robert G. Harvie, Q.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10414822301931567654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-81858331400084866722009-10-28T12:23:33.964-04:002009-10-28T12:23:33.964-04:00Right Rob, the people on the side who point to the...Right Rob, the people on the side who point to the scientific literature and the vast majority of scientists are "religious". <br />The right-wing christians and assorted other nuts and vested-interests who'll believe anything and anyone who tells them AGW is a "hoax" (as Yamal once again demonstrates) are "skeptics".<br /> <br /><br />"And let's then talk about:<br /><br />a) a reasoned discussion regarding the range of possible outcomes, good and bad, and a legitimate discussion ..."<br /><br />Are you joking, or are you really that ignorant?<br />Why don't spend some time educating yourself instead of wasting it lecturing on topics you don't have the first-fucking-clue <a href="http://www.ipcc.ch/" rel="nofollow">about</a>?Lennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05937127608668201556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-9911623187362705282009-10-28T12:19:45.325-04:002009-10-28T12:19:45.325-04:00Frank D: and for your enjoyment, here is my revi...Frank D: and for your enjoyment, <a href="http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com/2009/10/engaging-in-peer-review.html" rel="nofollow"> here is my review </a> of an interview that Lord Monckton gave when he was in Canada.<br /><br />Regards,<br />JohnJohn Crosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02036006173970624026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-44279978819318546782009-10-28T12:16:36.918-04:002009-10-28T12:16:36.918-04:00Rob: the idea of AGW does not depend on climate m...Rob: the idea of AGW does not depend on climate models. It depends on radiation physics and if you wish to dispute AGW on the basis that a lot of people seem (i.e. adding CO2 won't cause a warming) then you need to rewrite a great deal of quantum physics. So yes, I would say that - in the broad sense at least - it is as firmly established as the earth orbiting the sun.<br /><br />Are there details that we are unsure of - absolutely! Some of them are fairly significant (e.g. exactly how much water feedback will we get, what is the accuracy of the CO2 prediction, etc). And that is where the real discussion should be. <br /><br />But we still have a number of people who repeat the mantra:<br /><br />1) We are not causing all the rise in CO2<br /><br />2) If we are causing the rise it won't harm us.<br /><br />3) If it will harm us it will be more expensive to do something.<br /><br />And so on. <br /><br />If people presented rational arguments, they would be treated as rational.<br /><br />Regards,<br />JohnJohn Crosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02036006173970624026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-86705229883187615992009-10-28T12:12:45.481-04:002009-10-28T12:12:45.481-04:00Rob doesn't read, he just listens to that old ...Rob doesn't read, he just listens to that old blowhard Murphy. Then he complains that Gore is not a scientist.<br /><br />FrankD prefers his old blowhards to be British.Holly Stickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01137842937086115228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-41308735359017967092009-10-28T12:11:28.930-04:002009-10-28T12:11:28.930-04:00"Climate theory is based upon models. It'..."Climate theory is based upon models. It's based upon analysis of historical carbon data. It's not based upon scientific certainty..." <br /><br />It is based on the work done by Fourier on heat transfer almost 200years ago.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-69378221778530193552009-10-28T12:08:41.356-04:002009-10-28T12:08:41.356-04:00They would like you to think the debate is over Ro...They would like you to think the debate is over Rob because what they are planning for in Copenhagen will leave Kyoto in the dust.<br /><br />Lord Monckton has this take on Copenhagen. A thinly veiled attack on democracy and national sovereignty by the UN supported by the socialist EU, third world countries, wrapped up with a massive wealth transfer scheme. Well duh! Didn't he read Kyoto. Nothing new here. Except Copenhagen, he believes, might have some teeth to it. <br /><br />I think his concerns are a bit overblown. For one, notwithstanding The Obamessiah the US Senate will never ratify rendering the thing DOA. The Brits mired in recession, an MP "expenses row" and never ending succession of new 'green taxes' have about had it with 'New World Order' Gordon Brown and Nu Labour. Some of the UN types are conceding their wont be a new treaty from Copenhagen. The developed world is starting to wake up to the scam that is AGW. The worm has turned and the warmers are now the deniers.<br /><br />Here is Lord Monckton on the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40" rel="nofollow">Copenhagen scam</a>. Enjoy.Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18297103542166827777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-18719011419210344522009-10-28T12:04:33.868-04:002009-10-28T12:04:33.868-04:00Go ahead, read the materials again...
What are so...<i>Go ahead, read the materials again...</i><br /><br />What are some of the materials you've read, Rob, beside blog posts?Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-74299916877461413692009-10-28T11:58:14.217-04:002009-10-28T11:58:14.217-04:00Really BCL? You see the climate change issue as a...Really BCL? You see the climate change issue as a scientific equivalency to the earth orbits the sun?<br /><br />Go ahead, read the materials again - Climate theory is based upon models. It's based upon analysis of historical carbon data. It's not based upon scientific certainty, even by the most argent scientic advocates. It is a "theory" supported by evidence. <br /><br />But so what? My point is, as a conservative, I approach my own constituency and say, "how about at least conceding it's POSSIBLE that man-made climate change is occurring. Would you believe it is responsibile to do NOTHING?<br /><br />On the other hand, if we make it a debate between "camps" and it's an "us" v. "them" proposition, you limit discussion of commonality and possible movemement forward, even if it is incremental, and you just have a battle of egos.<br /><br />That's what I mean by tedious. I think people like Suzuki would be better of not attacking the "heretics" and try to engage them and say, "what if you're wrong?" And say, maybe a little progress is a good start.<br /><br />Right now it's this stupid all or nothing - and in this economic climate, it's closer to nothing. If you engage both sides, while the lowest common denominator may not appease the "True Believers", you know, the yellers and screamers who disrupt parliament to no good purpose - it will result in real change as opposed to continued argument.Robert G. Harvie, Q.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10414822301931567654noreply@blogger.com