tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post1490442722651048616..comments2024-03-28T00:54:34.206-04:00Comments on BigCityLib Strikes Back: Its Not Your Money Its Theirs Part 1 Gazillionbigcitylibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-53142446587462877792009-10-27T08:41:35.258-04:002009-10-27T08:41:35.258-04:00Rockfish funny post.
It is also sad, funny you tr...Rockfish funny post.<br /><br />It is also sad, funny you try to connect unlawful, undemocratic activity with the government.<br /><br />I accept 99% of the Liberals and their supporters are not living in Narnia and are getting sick of the bad advice, poor tactical execution of their party.<br /><br />Real liberals don't look for ghosts to blame for their current standing.<br /><br /><br />Rockfish goodluck in painting the publicity stunt/photo op as some "Darth Vader" conspiracy.<br /><br />Casey, Nunziata are two examples of MP's who broke from their party and won 2 times as independent MP.<br /><br />André Arthur?<br /><br />MI and Bob broke away from Dion on principle.(Afghanistan ring a bell?)<br /><br />A shame MI did not have courage to stop the coalition madness in it tracks. He never supported the idea but wanted to keep his leadership alive.<br /><br />Remember MI is not about the Polls he is about the principle.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-5688366817291920942009-10-27T02:48:43.196-04:002009-10-27T02:48:43.196-04:00I think CanadianSenesless is onto something. But w...I think CanadianSenesless is onto something. But why just exclude the sitting MP? Why not start pointing out and excluding the local citizenry who didn't vote for the CONmen? And those people who didn't put CON signs on their lawn? Maybe give their shares to the CONbots who kicked down, vandalized and busted opposition election signs, double points for any brakelines cut, too. It's the new acceptable practice in CONada, where blue and bluer are the new colors, and the stars are the dimmest bulbs of the bunch.rockfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835472375196889875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-63098151196069067332009-10-26T19:42:13.654-04:002009-10-26T19:42:13.654-04:00"Gayle, do you know what this means? What exa..."Gayle, do you know what this means? What exactly are we preaching?"<br /><br />Whatever he says we are preaching at any given time.<br /><br />He just makes stuff up. That's what people do when they cannot advance an intelligent argument.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-16987935766030744612009-10-26T16:24:23.072-04:002009-10-26T16:24:23.072-04:00Funny, I can't believe someone can switch from...<i>Funny, I can't believe someone can switch from voting Rae to Harris. </i><br /><br />Actually, with CS, I can sort of believe it. He just sounds like these loony cranks who think the current government is always responsible for every problem that crops up, and thus, just votes against it in the subsequent election.<br /><br />He'll be back to voting Liberal again in the future, I'm sure. And when that happens, he'll be screaming at Conservatives and blaming them for the mess they've made.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-63261037858293384442009-10-26T16:17:37.860-04:002009-10-26T16:17:37.860-04:00Suggestion Gayle and Ti-guy blog.
Practice what y...<i>Suggestion Gayle and Ti-guy blog.<br /><br />Practice what your preach.</i><br /><br />Gayle, do you know what this means? What exactly are we preaching?Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-24200810995153269562009-10-26T15:32:14.793-04:002009-10-26T15:32:14.793-04:00Funny, I can't believe someone can switch from...Funny, I can't believe someone can switch from voting Rae to Harris. I myself have voted for 4 different political parties in various fed & prov elections over my life, but never for the NDP. (Yes I voted Harris in 1990, 1995 & 1999). Along with Ti-Guy, I doubt your past voting history, but whatever.<br /><br />Also CS, these Liblogs are not a democracy. The Blogging Tories forums certainly don't allow too much in the way of challenging their fearless leader. I applaud the Libs here for being more open and honest, and allowing criticism.<br /><br />But I wouldn't count on the Lib bloggers tolerating you, your meandering off-topic criticism & blog stalking forever.Tof KWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756310841374198056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-69317695869894783262009-10-26T15:14:28.377-04:002009-10-26T15:14:28.377-04:00Mark Francis
can you repeat the reasons why the ...Mark Francis <br /><br />can you repeat the reasons why the Liberals could not support the Economic Update and after the 3 "contentious" issues were withdrawn what was the reason they could not climb down?<br /><br />I must have missed that Narnia History Lesson.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-6072625392221943702009-10-26T15:01:57.327-04:002009-10-26T15:01:57.327-04:00"I was happy with the November Economic Updat..."I was happy with the November Economic Update."<br /><br />Ummm... History has showed it was fatally flawed. We all knew it was then as well. There was nothing to be happy with.<br /><br />I think you mean to say that you liked the lack of spending it featured. Its projections were otherwise all bunk.Mark Richard Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16331995640397477486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-61898140626153373352009-10-26T14:47:58.416-04:002009-10-26T14:47:58.416-04:00Ti guy
are you interested in the "potty mout...Ti guy<br /><br />are you interested in the "potty mouth" filter?<br /><br />Your political views are unimportant. Your foul language is a real problem.<br /><br />Best of luck trying to rally the censor brigade.<br /><br />Suggestion Gayle and Ti-guy blog. <br /><br />Practice what your preach.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-3410515743599717062009-10-26T14:26:33.414-04:002009-10-26T14:26:33.414-04:00Several of the BT blogs I used to frequent now cen...<i>Several of the BT blogs I used to frequent now censor comments.</i><br /><br />Want to guess how long CS would start moderating or censoring comments at his unread blog if we all decided to troll the shit out of it, like he's been doing at every. single. Liberal. blog?<br /><br />"In minutes" is my guess.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-39832126054350295622009-10-26T14:20:47.904-04:002009-10-26T14:20:47.904-04:00Janfromthebruce
Why would I be upset about voters...Janfromthebruce<br /><br />Why would I be upset about voters make the right decision?<br /><br />I have always said the voters make the right decision.<br /><br />I don't complain or denigrate voters by calling them stupid, or they were tricked by TV ads.<br /><br />I hope the NDP can benefit from trying to rehabilitate their image.<br /><br />It was MI, Liberals, lib bloggers who were mocking the NDP for NOT supporting the Lib non-confidence motion.<br /><br />Jack Layton is a pro and survival skills dicatate his decisions.<br /><br />I never found a compelling reason why Jack Layton would ever trust a Liberal again. Can you link a post why he should?CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-71257551818409032142009-10-26T14:06:47.377-04:002009-10-26T14:06:47.377-04:00"Strangle the younger ones in their cradles, ..."Strangle the younger ones in their cradles, now. It's our only hope."<br />BEST LAUGH OF THE DAY<br />CS appears pissed that in a sea of deep blue there is a orange beach head. Get over it buttercup.<br />And IMPO it is the elected MP who is accountable in that riding not a "has been" or "what-a-be". <br />Wishing and hoping won't change this reality.susansmithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02573558646874765432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-61774601996399319642009-10-26T13:58:58.143-04:002009-10-26T13:58:58.143-04:00I am thankful the host of this blog does not delet...I am thankful the host of this blog does not delete "offensive" posts from Ti-guy.<br /><br />TofKW,<br /><br />I voted for Bob Rae and Mike Harris.<br /><br />Bob Rae was my York-South Weston candidate as was John Nuziata who held his riding against Judy Sgro and fell to Alan Tonks.<br /><br />I remember in one election Mary was pregnant doing door to door canvassing. She was wonderful.<br /><br />Back to reality:<br /><br />The (Union, special interest groups) abandoned/betrayed Bob Rae and Dennis Miller when they challenged their supremacy.<br /><br />The Liberals in the 1990's cut billions in transfers to Ontario Bob Rae and Mike Harris made decisions.<br /><br />Kevin Page has noted in his reports the biggest expenditures is the CPC restoration of those transfers cut by the Liberals to provinces.<br /><br />I wish PM SH was more of a fiscal conservative but compared to our other options, yikes! Explained in the polls.<br /><br />Tofkw my support for the CPC is not an endorsement of the massive EAP and eventual waste and screw ups found by the AG.<br /><br />EAP was for the Liberal, NDP, Green, Bloc voters supporters who were demanding Billions.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-59031131056822224512009-10-26T13:54:07.279-04:002009-10-26T13:54:07.279-04:00I don't try to convert. I try to expose.
Sev...I don't try to convert. I try to expose. <br /><br />Several of the BT blogs I used to frequent now censor comments. They are hypocrites who are now admitting their position cannot withstand criticism. <br /><br />I have no delusions about my power to change anyone's mind. Exposing lying hypocrites is a hobby.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-29719594282373731792009-10-26T13:38:43.978-04:002009-10-26T13:38:43.978-04:00I learned enough after the second Mike Harris admi...<i>I learned enough after the second Mike Harris administration that the new conservatism was no longer anything I wished to be associated with.</i><br /><br />Unfortunately, little did we know that the Harrisites would all fail upwards and continue to torment us at the national level.<br /><br />Strangle the younger ones in their cradles, now. It's our only hope.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-11543133274577738482009-10-26T13:36:10.988-04:002009-10-26T13:36:10.988-04:00I have never voted for the PC party and voted Libe...<i>I have never voted for the PC party and voted Liberal until the GST flip.</i><br /><br />Stop lying.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-75218436623715056662009-10-26T13:18:03.049-04:002009-10-26T13:18:03.049-04:00TofKw
I have never voted for the PC party and vot...TofKw<br /><br />I have never voted for the PC party and voted Liberal until the GST flip.<br /><br />I don't agree with the massive stimulus in January 2009.<br /><br />I was happy with the November Economic Update.<br /><br />The opposition were determined an immediate injection of $ 30 Billion and 3 policies introduced were sufficient to replace the government six weeks into their mandate.<br /><br />After withdrawing those 3 issues, the opposition did not back down. The GG granted the Christmas Break one week earlier.<br /><br />In January 2009 without any help or ideas from the Liberals the CPC introduced EAP.<br /><br />If you like I can forward the links and timelines.<br /><br />Months later the Liberals passed EAP without a serious amendment or a suggestion it is TOO big.<br /><br />Tokw, we "silly" voters or "conbots" have watched week after week opposition demanding Billions more, faster to be spent on every issue.<br /><br />I was against EAP (size) and speed and GM bailout.<br /><br />Reviewing the 13 years of Billions wasted by the AG and watching now the E-health scandal is a reminder how things go wrong.<br /><br />I prefer less spending (less waste). Can you point out which party in opposition has been asking the Gov't to SPEND less?<br /><br />Tofkw<br /><br />I don't draw the same conclusions that you do about Adscam, HR boondoggle both AG confirmed vs the "pork barrel" "novelty cheque" partisan advertising meme the opposition have alleged the last 2-3 weeks.<br /><br />I like many voters did not support the GM bailout but NO ONE stood up for us.<br /><br />Compare how much time the HOC spent on debating the $ 10 Billion bailout (loan).<br /><br />Why do you think PC, Blue Libs anyone who is fiscally conservative has NOWHERE else to park their vote?<br /><br />A government Lib/NDP backed by Bloc would have thrown out less money? ---->Really?<br /><br />The Liberals decision to give the NDP/Bloc a key to the executive washrooms has burned too many bridges.<br /><br />An election this spring may confirm this post.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-24669293598102082062009-10-26T13:15:48.402-04:002009-10-26T13:15:48.402-04:00"in the years you've engaged these wingnu..."in the years you've engaged these wingnuts seriously, have you ever converted one?"<br /><br />Actually the wingnuts are another reason for me staying clear of the new CPC. I learned enough after the second Mike Harris administration that the new conservatism was no longer anything I wished to be associated with.Tof KWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756310841374198056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-36171103703841759402009-10-26T12:58:40.144-04:002009-10-26T12:58:40.144-04:00Sad and pathetic - but also cute.
Cute? Hardly. ...<i>Sad and pathetic - but also cute.</i><br /><br />Cute? Hardly. These online psychos and pests are starting to make me wonder whether they have the same personality disorder as <a href="http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/594808" rel="nofollow">this guy.</a><br /><br />*shudder*<br /><br />Anyway, Gayle...in the years you've engaged these wingnuts seriously, have you ever converted one?Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-40177452881006102002009-10-26T12:23:16.252-04:002009-10-26T12:23:16.252-04:00I truly wish I found your need to totally change t...I truly wish I found your need to totally change the topic surprising, but it is a tactic commonly employed by people who are incapble of mounting a coherent argument. <br /><br />Though it is cute you are so obsessed with me you find it necessary to search old blog posts for my comments so you cen take them totally out of context<br /><br />Sad and pathetic - but also cute.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-40077555441307270832009-10-26T12:19:20.388-04:002009-10-26T12:19:20.388-04:00That should be "their's"....
No. I...<i>That should be "their's"....</i><br /><br />No. It's <i>theirs</i>. Mine, yours, his, hers, its, ours, and theirs.<br /><br />However, the "Its" in the post title should be "It's."<br /><br /><i>Thanks for your honest answer CS.</i><br /><br />Let's hope we'll soon have cause to thank CS for a <i>non-crazy</i> answer.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-64765388164306318232009-10-26T12:09:22.362-04:002009-10-26T12:09:22.362-04:00CS - I never said the CPC was evil or trying to de...CS - I never said the CPC was evil or trying to destroy the country, I simply think many of their policies are the wrong way to go. <br /><br />I did support the old PC party so my support for the Libs is only due to my view that the merged CPC went too far to the populist side, and Harper was the wrong choice as the first leader. I said then that Harper would split the party (again), and I still hold this view. I also admitted to myself that the Martin/Manley style blue-Grits were closer to my politics than the new CPC.<br /><br />However one thing I did not agree with is this style of old-school pork barrel politics which you seem to think is OK. I feel the Libs are suffering many of their ills now from such past practices, and hope they offer new policies to end this for once and for all.<br /><br />I also find it amusing that the former Reformers are now doing exactly what they used to heavily criticize the Libs for doing - something for which I agreed with the Reform party on 100%.Tof KWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756310841374198056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-44028579862115497452009-10-26T11:38:58.994-04:002009-10-26T11:38:58.994-04:00TofKW,
you are welcome. Some bloggers don't l...TofKW,<br /><br />you are welcome. Some bloggers don't like my opinion. I have no reason to mince words.<br /><br />I disagree with your geographic principle in Quebec.<br /><br />I would also extend if an MP from the opposition worked with the government to secure a Policy that was unpopular for his party but was for his riding the government should acknowledge with the publicity photo op stunts to reinforce the MP was supportive.<br /><br />The public want us to cooperate and tone down the rhetoric and move along to tackle the real issues.<br /><br />This does not mean I support the every policy or decision by the CPC carte blanche.<br /><br />Tofkw the NDP and Liberals MP's are not "evil" or trying to "destroy" our country. I find trying to paint the CPC differently is just wrong.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-89622274301222334712009-10-26T11:18:36.089-04:002009-10-26T11:18:36.089-04:00Thanks for your honest answer CS.
I do disagree w...Thanks for your honest answer CS.<br /><br />I do disagree with you on this, as I think this stinks regardless of what party is playing these kinds of political games, with one exception - Quebec. There I think all 3 federalist parties should agree on a program to undermine the BQ by openly spending more on any Quebec ridings that vote for federalist parties. A not-to-subtle message to QC voters that this is what you get when you vote for separatists but expect federal handouts. The Chretien Libs used to do this to some degree, and I agreed to it in principle provided the handful of PC ridings also got their share.<br /><br />I would also like to mention, I will hold you to this if the reverse situation ever does occur.Tof KWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756310841374198056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-25498831392907263772009-10-26T10:58:59.885-04:002009-10-26T10:58:59.885-04:00Tof KW said...
CS, I'd like to ask an hon...Tof KW said...<br /><br /> CS, I'd like to ask an honest question here. <br /><br />NO. To your question.<br /><br />An MP is responsible to his riding first and his party second. At the next opportunity Duncan will get to defend her decision to vote against everything until Jack was terrified of losing his gains.<br /><br />=============================<br />A life long Liberal MP supported on principal a CPC Policy, a Budget Bill included that policy that saw a NET benefit to his riding.<br /><br />Hint it was a Liberal riding, he did not run again and helped the NDP take the riding.<br /><br />Publicity Stunts Photo ops?<br /><br />Should the NDP or Liberals who vote against the policy be invited for a "publicity photo op" if they voted against it to maintain party unity? <br /><br />NO<br /><br />The opposition have been VERY active with bloggers like you in agreement to use selective analysis to paint the current government as operating an ADSCAM scandal.<br /><br />Review the last two weeks and the Liberal NDP talking points regarding EAP inside HOC vs outside.<br /><br />Crying uncle, waving the white flag now without a FULL COMPLETE apology just won't cut it.<br /><br />The Zero sum game by the opposition is destroying any remaining credibility in politics.<br /><br />Crying wolf without "proof" is being reflected in the Polls.<br /><br />Turning off Canadians every week by painting the government and the civil servants as evil, racists, corrupt is inappropriate.<br /><br />Finally I think EAP is TOO big and wasteful and mismanagement WILL be found.<br /><br />I just want the proof not to be a Liberal JC "proof" but actual real evidence.<br /><br />That is a reasonable or fair position supported and reflected in the last 4 weeks-Polls.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.com