tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post2240494863018039198..comments2024-03-17T03:16:44.995-04:00Comments on BigCityLib Strikes Back: The Fox And The Grapes And The Liberals And The NDPbigcitylibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-47832428044967078442009-11-06T15:13:16.921-05:002009-11-06T15:13:16.921-05:00Gayle,
I don't believe my DNA currently is, or...Gayle,<br />I don't believe my DNA currently is, or is required to be, in any databases.Lennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05937127608668201556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-54039209124439657312009-11-06T00:54:18.781-05:002009-11-06T00:54:18.781-05:00Good Lenny - because a database that stores vital ...Good Lenny - because a database that stores vital personal information is somewhat more invasive than one that says you own a gun.<br /><br />I expect you to be out marching against the DNA databank tomorrow then.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-28469644012358175702009-11-06T00:03:36.995-05:002009-11-06T00:03:36.995-05:00I'm not interested in having my DNA in a datab...I'm not interested in having my DNA in a database either, Gayle.Lennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05937127608668201556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-9482220508156358362009-11-05T19:22:27.636-05:002009-11-05T19:22:27.636-05:00"Is there some evidence to suggest that peopl..."Is there some evidence to suggest that people who register their weapons are less likely to commit crimes with them?"<br /><br />Is there any evidence the DNA database reduces crime? Is there any evidence registering your car reduces drinking and driving?<br /><br />No, but then that is not the point. The point is to use these registries as investigative tools, something the police do every day.<br /><br />Did you know the gun registry was a key piece of evidence leading to the conviction of the two men who assisted Rosko after he murdered four mounties? A gun that was in his possession (not the murder weapon) was traced back to them.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-57104683228413144752009-11-05T18:41:45.945-05:002009-11-05T18:41:45.945-05:00Stop putting words in my mouth. I didn't say t...Stop putting words in my mouth. I didn't say that the Liberals and the NDP weren't hypocrits. Can we not allow for different levels of hypocrisy?<br /><br />What I said is that I'm far more concerned about justice policies that are demonstrably horrible for a society than about a registry that tells cops where many of Canada's guns are. <br /><br />As I said above, I could really care less about the gun registry. I simply said that Jay had a good point.CanuckRoverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105956206764325265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-78770167906783601312009-11-05T18:20:12.191-05:002009-11-05T18:20:12.191-05:00So they aren't hypocrites because nobody will ...So they aren't hypocrites because nobody will die?<br />If we're to use "nobody will die" as the only prerequisite for legislation we'll be running a trillion dollar deficit and filling out forms 24/7.<br /><br />"Is that what you're saying? You're allowed to believe that the conservative justice policies are great, despite the massive amount of research on the subject, because you don't think the gun registry works? Really?"<br /><br />Totally incoherent.<br /><br />By the way, I don't for a minute think that conservatives care about empirical evidence on this or any other issue, but I think progressives should.Lennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05937127608668201556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-90156600003133543742009-11-05T17:49:38.065-05:002009-11-05T17:49:38.065-05:00Lenny, perhaps you should read my post again. Spec...Lenny, perhaps you should read my post again. Specifically the part about not really caring what happens with the long gun registry.<br /><br />Although I would certainly suggest that there is a huge difference between empirical evidence suggesting that a variables makes something much worse (getting tough on crime with mandatory sentences etc.) and empirical evidence suggesting that, at worst, something has no effect at all (the gun registry). <br /><br />Don't be so quick to scream "THE LIEBERALS ARE DOING IT TOO!!!" when their hypocracy won't result in more people getting killed and an absurd increase on public safety spending. <br /><br />Is that what you're saying? You're allowed to believe that the conservative justice policies are great, despite the massive amount of research on the subject, because you don't think the gun registry works? Really?CanuckRoverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105956206764325265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-55964161246661382682009-11-05T16:28:00.655-05:002009-11-05T16:28:00.655-05:00Try responding to the question, try to engage in a...<i>Try responding to the question, try to engage in a real discussion. It doesn't hurt.</i><br /><br />With Conservatives? Oh, yes it does hurt. It hurts like hell.<br /><br />It's been clinically proven to cause migraines, in fact.<br /><br />...you can look it up.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-90071216269519775452009-11-05T16:19:08.117-05:002009-11-05T16:19:08.117-05:00Jay. I have an idea. How about rather than some ...Jay. I have an idea. How about rather than some pointless ad hominum attacks, you respond to the issue?<br /><br />Is there some evidence to suggest that people who register their weapons are less likely to commit crimes with them? Are there any studies to suggest that the use of a gun registry reduces the likelihood of those weapons being used in a crime. People much smarter than me (and clearly more intelligent than you) say different.<br /><br />Now - as you change the subject (no doubt because you are unable to respond in any fashion than approaches intelligent argument) as Ti-Guy knows, I have blogged quite clearly my own opposition to minimum sentencing provisions, blogging on my June 5, 2009, unequivocally, "Mandatory Jail Sentences for Drug Crimes - a Bad Idea All Around."<br /><br />Not every Conservative idea is a good one. Minimum drug sentencing has the same illness as the gun registry. It appeals to voters, but it doesn't make us safer, and costs us more money. One idea is as bad as the next.<br /><br />But good effort Jay trying to make this a "he's a conservative, so, by definition he's an idiot."<br /><br />Try responding to the question, try to engage in a real discussion. It doesn't hurt.Robert G. Harvie, Q.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10414822301931567654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-26713480129719204562009-11-05T16:13:13.111-05:002009-11-05T16:13:13.111-05:00"Amazing how conservatives are suddenly so co..."Amazing how conservatives are suddenly so concerned about empirical evidence."<br /><br />So what are you saying, Rover? Are you against tough-on-crime and the registry, for them both, or are only interested in empirical evidence when it's convenient?<br /><br />Anyhow, I agree with Jay that many Liberals and NDPers are just as irrational on this issue as conservatives are on "tough-on-crime".Lennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05937127608668201556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-61655108834635969852009-11-05T16:10:00.876-05:002009-11-05T16:10:00.876-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05937127608668201556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-66635601123605036272009-11-05T14:32:30.296-05:002009-11-05T14:32:30.296-05:00Yes we drink like fish.Yes we drink like fish.KChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16932623568330893522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-74649212817396560292009-11-05T14:13:22.452-05:002009-11-05T14:13:22.452-05:00Sorry, that sounds dismissive. I love the Yukon. ...Sorry, that sounds dismissive. I love the Yukon. I'd live there in a heartbeat.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-50098377084713373582009-11-05T14:10:28.735-05:002009-11-05T14:10:28.735-05:00False. Yukoners are by a large margin:
I didn'...<i>False. Yukoners are by a large margin:</i><br /><br />I didn't bring it up because it skews the results. Yukon is really nothing more than a small town.<br /><br />Yukoners can also hold their liquor, which is more than you can say for the Albertans.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-69631750511415623042009-11-05T14:03:28.795-05:002009-11-05T14:03:28.795-05:00That and a lot of booze. Remember, Albertans are t...<i>That and a lot of booze. Remember, Albertans are the biggest lushes in Canada.</i><br /><br />False. Yukoners are by a large margin:<br /><br />http://journal.cpha.ca/index.php/cjph/article/download/522/522KChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16932623568330893522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-27161149745546115032009-11-05T13:56:06.782-05:002009-11-05T13:56:06.782-05:00The boozing is just a sympton. Living in Northern ...The boozing is just a sympton. Living in Northern Alberta is the cause. <br /><br /><i>So come all you fine young fellows who've been beaten to the ground<br />This western life's no paradise, but it's better than lying down<br />Oh, the streets aren't clean, and there's nothing green, and the hills are dirty brown<br />But the government dole will rot your soul back there in your hometown<br /><br /> So bid farewell to the eastern town you never more will see<br /> There's self-respect and a steady check in this refinery<br /> You will miss the green and the woods and streams and the dust will fill your nose<br /> But you'll be free, and just like me, an idiot, I suppose</i>CanuckRoverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105956206764325265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-26108685026490708932009-11-05T13:46:00.607-05:002009-11-05T13:46:00.607-05:00Is this the end result once you get all you ever w...<i>Is this the end result once you get all you ever wanted?</i><br /><br />That and a lot of booze. Remember, Albertans are the biggest lushes in Canada.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-40252945973975869712009-11-05T13:33:04.291-05:002009-11-05T13:33:04.291-05:00Ti-guy,
You just explained while i haven't bee...Ti-guy,<br />You just explained while i haven't been home for 6 years. My parents had lived in Alberta for a long period of time and that behavior you just described is how they are now. I have never heard such misinformed opinion, especially on immigrants, come from my parents. They had been the most understanding, loving people. Now they are paranoid, ignorant and rude.<br /><br />Its unfortunate because it seems to be a characteristic being brought to Newfoundland with the oil field workers as they return home. Its bizarre because these people are not hurting for anything or in need of much. They are making huge amounts of money out west, but they seem so angry about other people. <br /><br />Is this the end result once you get all you ever wanted? Nothing to worry about except what others are doing that you don't like?Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17404234601709022496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-61504674223890933562009-11-05T13:06:19.487-05:002009-11-05T13:06:19.487-05:00Jay,
As a hick myself (and lets face it, at least...Jay,<br /><br />As a hick myself (and lets face it, at least 99% of Canadians are less than one degree removed from hickdom) I'm not at all hostile to life in the boonies. There are real advantages to it, one being the price of housing and the other being how much less time you spend or hassle you endure just getting from place to place And I'd rather spend the winter in the boonies than in the city.<br /><br />But the fact remains that uncomplicated lives force a lot of people to go looking for problems. I face it every time I go home for extended visits. You don't dare bring up anything much about issues that don't affect the locality because you're just invited a lot of pointless uninformed and angry opinion.<br /><br />It's gotten worse with modern communications technology, because it's dead easy to be exposed to things that cause these people to shake with fury so easily.<br /><br />Western Canada is particularly bad in this regard, since urban versus rural hostility is very much part of its history, something that is almost non-existent in the East, particularly in Québec.<br /><br />The Reform party spread this sociopathy to the rest of us. It's infected not just the purely rural areas of Ontario but is also afflicting the suburbanites, who also don't have enough real conflict to keep them busy and are burdened, as well, by a lifestyle that is alienating and insecure if not buttressed by high levels of material comfort.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-15400219851864495802009-11-05T13:03:03.026-05:002009-11-05T13:03:03.026-05:00Doesn't the fact we see this split in the prog...Doesn't the fact we see this split in the progressive blogosphere speak to the fact that this issue was never the one-sided slam dunk that gun registry supporters assumed? I actually think it shows that the respective parties were right to have free votes, because clearly there is no unanimity from the grassroots. Dare I say, representative?Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-20024889517908102982009-11-05T13:02:54.103-05:002009-11-05T13:02:54.103-05:00Jay, great point about the getting tough on crime ...Jay, great point about the getting tough on crime legislation. Amazing how conservatives are suddenly so concerned about empirical evidence.CanuckRoverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105956206764325265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-4761769969794827852009-11-05T12:56:53.818-05:002009-11-05T12:56:53.818-05:00Yup - they get annoyed as hell at city folks, but ...Yup - they get annoyed as hell at city folks, but don't mind taking the taxes they provide to subsidize them when they've had a bad year. Rather rude don't ya think?<br /><br />Oh those damn city folks - who buy their products.<br /><br />Perhaps there should be an investigation regarding tax breaks, etc. that farmers get....it would be an eye opener. Example, what about so-called farmers who own farm land, but not really farming and getting all the breaks a working farmer gets - on their vehicles, etc.RuralSandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09552973218865121867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-40745831845142477282009-11-05T12:05:56.710-05:002009-11-05T12:05:56.710-05:00Don't know, Waller and Melchers could be fine....Don't know, Waller and Melchers could be fine. I wasn't really talking about the long gun registry, I was talking about the heaping pile at the end of your post. <br /><br />I have no strong feelings about the long gun registry. On balance, I think I'd rather have guns registered than not and, for the life of me, I cannot fathom the anger created by the simple process of filling out some paperwork so that you can own something that is designed to kill things.<br /><br />I had to go renew my drivers license the other day and did it without punching the public service employee in the face or starting a new political movement to stop this horrible oppression. I just don't get the RAGE among the rednecks.CanuckRoverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11105956206764325265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-51425807173442632702009-11-05T11:48:21.965-05:002009-11-05T11:48:21.965-05:00And - is the suggestion that there is no use of $2...<i>And - is the suggestion that there is no use of $2 billion that could be more effective in reducing violence than a gun registry system.</i><br /><br />Oh, there we go. The 2 billion again.<br /><br />After the Harper Government broke the country to the tune of 60 billion just this year, you really should give that up. But this is why Conservatives always screw up the finances; penny-wise and pound-foolish.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-48485878342670920802009-11-05T11:43:08.690-05:002009-11-05T11:43:08.690-05:00The issue really is that when it comes to gun viol...The issue really is that when it comes to gun violence, most law-abiding Canadians are in danger of the type of violence done by rifles and shotguns, a lot of it senseless and carried out by disturbed people. In the upscale condo next to me in my well-to-do North York neighbourhood, some loony started firing with his rifle at the Don Valley Parkway one day. That has been the only instance of gun violence in this neighbourhood in over 20 years.<br /><br />With unregistered handguns used by criminals, those who end up on the receiving end are mostly other criminals. With a few, high profile exceptions, naturally.<br /><br />An interesting point that's come up (thanks to Rob's intervention here) is that the more Harper betrays his supporters on *major* issues, the more they cling to the rather ones to rationalise their continued support. Thus proving that Conservatives are, above anything else, irrational.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.com