tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post2345347649414955807..comments2024-03-17T03:16:44.995-04:00Comments on BigCityLib Strikes Back: C-484: The Issue Of Liberal Culpabilitybigcitylibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-55174376888092296432008-03-10T09:17:00.000-04:002008-03-10T09:17:00.000-04:00Why is it that every proposed additional new gun l...Why is it that every proposed additional new gun law, on top of the hundreds of ineffective ones already, is seen as 'reasonable' by the Left and doesn't lead to a slippery slope of confiscation, BUT anything that even remotely hints about protection for unborn children is suddenly a draconian measure meant to enslave women by the religious right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-14717160779061334502008-03-09T22:53:00.000-04:002008-03-09T22:53:00.000-04:00Thanks for the list; I'll personally send an email...Thanks for the list; I'll personally send an email to each of those Liberal MPs and thank them for their support.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-84026619351579023562008-03-09T18:38:00.000-04:002008-03-09T18:38:00.000-04:00Nope. you're still describing a very nasty assault...Nope. you're still describing a very nasty assault on the mother. It's bad stuff and would draw criminal attention, but it ain't murder. <BR/><BR/>In fact it's likely you are simply misquoting a commonly used socon hypothetical. Often anti-abortionists will describe a situation where a doctor delivers an abortion mere minutes before birth, in an attempt to create to drum up shock, horror, etc.. However, in that scenario the woman actually has to ask for the abortion, or of course there could be criminal charges.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-15169296290618432932008-03-09T10:26:00.000-04:002008-03-09T10:26:00.000-04:00A woman is about to give birth. Her and her husban...A woman is about to give birth. Her and her husband are excitedly preparing for their child's birth.<BR/><BR/>The baby is minutes from being born, and is in the birth canal but not out yet. The doctor could stick a scalpal into the baby's head and kill it, <BR/><BR/>the woman would be then pushing out a dead child,<BR/><BR/>and no criminal charges could be laid.<BR/><BR/>None.<BR/><BR/>The Dr. caused no harm whatsoever to the woman. It was the child that was killed. A child minutes from breathing her first baby breath.<BR/><BR/>That's legal in Canada today.<BR/><BR/>Now that's "progressive".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-22624345478823087992008-03-09T04:39:00.000-04:002008-03-09T04:39:00.000-04:00Mr. Emerson, you'll be pleased to learn that pushi...Mr. Emerson, you'll be pleased to learn that pushing someone hard enough to harm the fetus OR a doctor performing an abortion without the woman's authorization are extremely serious matters which would draw harsh criminal penalties. Nor is it unusual for sentences to be higher when crimes are committed against women who are pregnant.<BR/><BR/>That is, you'll be pleased to learn that if you want to send a societal message about protecting pregnant women. If your goal is merely to prevent these same women from having abortions, your reaction may be somewhat differnt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-60683355691128722582008-03-09T03:23:00.000-04:002008-03-09T03:23:00.000-04:00How 'progressive'If someone doesn't agree with you...How 'progressive'<BR/><BR/>If someone doesn't agree with your opinion call them names. Calling someone a "sack of shit" really advances the merit of one's opinion.<BR/><BR/>Then there is that actual 'piece of shit' <BR/>ti-guy...there is an abortion that should have happenedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-80415201303078329632008-03-08T19:27:00.000-05:002008-03-08T19:27:00.000-05:00Actually,a brutal assault intended to take a life,...Actually,<BR/><BR/>a brutal assault intended to take a life, is attempted murder.<BR/><BR/>A brutal assault that takes a life is murder.<BR/><BR/>Shoving someone in the grocery line is neither.<BR/><BR/>Nor is taking that wanted life.<BR/><BR/>In fact if a gynecologist, in the course of an internal exam (common in pregnancies) decides to unilaterally take the child's life with the swipe of an instrument during that process (like say if they believe the mother, is "unfit" or if they're just psycho) it would likely not even be a simple assault.<BR/><BR/>In the latter scenario, the shove in the grocery line would be worse.<BR/><BR/>The positions on this new law are very revealing. It is no longer about choice, but the right to kill the unborn child.<BR/><BR/>Which is why the venom is spewing. Getting to the nitty gritty of this bill is causing you all to momentarily pause to realize the "right to choice" meme doesn't fit as an easy cover.<BR/><BR/>Very revealing indeed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-6744156066294034272008-03-08T16:30:00.000-05:002008-03-08T16:30:00.000-05:00My shoving you in the grocery line is "assault."To...My shoving you in the grocery line is "assault."<BR/><BR/>To the left, taking that wanted child's life is on the same plane.<BR/><BR/>Your true colors are shining through.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-81070081134642867542008-03-08T09:11:00.000-05:002008-03-08T09:11:00.000-05:00"Charles Emerson" knew that...he's just being a te..."Charles Emerson" knew that...he's just being a terrorist...terrorising Canadians by detonating a bomb of ignorance right in the middle of the public square where the villagers have gathered to talk.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-60468972226918924452008-03-08T05:21:00.000-05:002008-03-08T05:21:00.000-05:00Newsflash Charles: IT'S ALREASY ILLEGAL! It doesn'...Newsflash Charles: IT'S ALREASY ILLEGAL! It doesn't surprise me you're unaware of it, but it's actually illegal to assault women in this country, whether or not they're pregnant.Reality Biteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10350104223630062677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-62373962233051296892008-03-08T04:43:00.000-05:002008-03-08T04:43:00.000-05:00Lemme get this straight.Some woman clearly wants t...Lemme get this straight.<BR/><BR/>Some woman clearly wants to keep her baby, and excitedly prepares for the arrival of her new child,<BR/><BR/>and some raving lunatic decides to kill her unborn child,<BR/><BR/>And they want to make that ILLEGAL???????<BR/><BR/>The insanity of it all. It's time the Liberal party stand up for the rights of those who want to kill, wanted, unborn children.<BR/><BR/>What kind of society are we living in, if someone can't do that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-17265622977007622582008-03-07T21:25:00.000-05:002008-03-07T21:25:00.000-05:00If it was so insignificant, why didn't Dion whip t...If it was so insignificant, why didn't Dion whip the vote and just defeat it once and for all. No one would have noticed. Right?Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06941875334878452635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-22310370058824356702008-03-07T19:49:00.000-05:002008-03-07T19:49:00.000-05:00As I said yesterday, like fly's to shit, anti-abor...As I said yesterday, like fly's to shit, anti-abortionist keep on breeding, praying for the day that the Art Hangers and Epps conjure up misanthropic, twisted legislation or, failing a usurping of law, leadership towards a good old fashioned stake burning and a revival of pointy hat justice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-16614341470087008572008-03-07T18:36:00.000-05:002008-03-07T18:36:00.000-05:00How did you suddenly switch from it being about bl...<I>How did you suddenly switch from it being about bloggers to being about the MSM?</I><BR/><BR/>I haven't switched from anything. This post is about this being a media issue.<BR/><BR/>No one reads blogs, you know. A lot of people actually think C-484 is about protecting pregnant women (and...gosh!...how can you be against that?), and until we see a more sophisticated discussion of the issue in the mainstream media, it's going to remain that way.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-21526715399106313572008-03-07T18:25:00.000-05:002008-03-07T18:25:00.000-05:00"I'm sensing a Bread and Roses campaign to pile on..."I'm sensing a Bread and Roses campaign to pile on Liberal bloggers again."<BR/><BR/>"Tell that to The Globe, The Star, the CBC and that crèche of atavism, CanWest-Global."<BR/><BR/>How did you suddenly switch from it being about bloggers to being about the MSM? Try Canadian Cynic, Wingnuterer, Far and Wide, Turner Report, liberal catnip, in the House and Senate, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-74850840408233589352008-03-07T17:39:00.000-05:002008-03-07T17:39:00.000-05:00BreadnRoses doesn't need to start a campaign again...<I>BreadnRoses doesn't need to start a campaign against the Liberals because many non-BnR liberals are plenty pissed off at the pusillanimous and stupid behaviour of the Liberals the past few weeks.</I><BR/><BR/>Tell that to <I>The Globe</I>, <I>The Star</I>, the CBC and that <I>crèche</I> of atavism, CanWest-Global.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-24114321536029168282008-03-07T17:35:00.000-05:002008-03-07T17:35:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-7164178311597801352008-03-07T17:13:00.000-05:002008-03-07T17:13:00.000-05:00On Monday, CBC's The Current had people who suppor...On Monday, CBC's The Current had people who supported and opposed the bill:<BR/>http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/2008/200803/20080303.html<BR/><BR/>Caroline Egan was very good.<BR/><BR/>BreadnRoses doesn't need to start a campaign against the Liberals because many non-BnR liberals are plenty pissed off at the pusillanimous and stupid behaviour of the Liberals the past few weeks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-34055345285502405612008-03-07T17:09:00.000-05:002008-03-07T17:09:00.000-05:00The bigger point here is what the Harper governmen...The bigger point here is what the Harper government and previous Liberal governments have done to women and women's organizations. The funding cuts have taken women's voices out of the MSM. Women's groups are struggling to keep their frontline social service organizations open, for pity's sake!<BR/><BR/>Now Harper has almost completely taken down a national women's voice and in so doing set up a situation where, if the Opposition fails to oppose (as has been the case on many pieces of legislation), and this legislation passes, women's groups will be hard-pressed to fight back through the courts. They have no resources!! Surely, we all know that women still earn less than 3/4 of what men do. <BR/><BR/>So, BCL, are you Liberals gonna pick someone to be Canadian women's Sugar Daddy so you can look good and bring attention to this when it does hit the media? Or are you going to continue the same attacks in which previous Liberal governments have participated?<BR/><BR/>Or are you going to stand up to this gawdawful agenda with an endgame that would have women playing out scenes from <I>The Handmaid's Tale</I>?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-56924584662340963392008-03-07T16:50:00.000-05:002008-03-07T16:50:00.000-05:00A couple countering points if I may - You say "Wit...A couple countering points if I may - You say "With the public, the issue is drawing a flat-line." Well of course it is, they don't know about it because the MSM is not reporting it. Tell any bunch of reasonably progressive women about what happened on Wed, and they'll be horrified and enraged, like the woman who called me yesterday, incredulous that there hasn't been more media coverage of this. (And btw, women are 50% of the public.) <BR/><BR/>Second, you say "If the point is that C-484 dies eventually, then how it happens should be immaterial." I guess I'll accept any type of loss, but I'd much rather see a thorough evidence-based destruction of the bill by the Committee process, since any other exit for the bill means it'll keep coming back to haunt us in one form or another. <BR/><BR/>Re the second "anonymous" comment, this simply reflects a very common refusal to understand why we oppose the bill (almost always by anti-choice people). I have to say it's the height of stupidity and hateful ignorance to claim that we don't care about pregnant women being attacked - obviously everybody cares about that! (duh). The issue is, this law is not the right tool - it won't protect pregnant women, it compromises women's rights in general, and it threatens abortion rights - all for no reason, since there are other and better ways to address these attacks on pregnant women.choice joycehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18218868792770666771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-26274462318402320692008-03-07T16:34:00.000-05:002008-03-07T16:34:00.000-05:00Ah shut up, Aaron. Why don't you challenge the fa...Ah shut up, Aaron. Why don't you challenge the fatuous anonymii once in a while, instead of combing Liberal/Progressive blogs in search of a fight all the time and the opportunity to <I>defame</I> someone?<BR/><BR/>Off-topic...BCL: I guess you didn't catch <I>The Agenda</I> on TVO yesterday. It featured the "free speech thing." Keith Martin, Jonathan Kay and Charles McVety were on and once again, I was struck by how <I>badly</I> these inarticulate people argue their cases; the ignorance of existing law, the baseless assertions, the references to unnamed victims of human rights tribunal persecution, the unsourced data being referenced without context, the incoherent McVety complaining about Evangelicals being subject to hate speech because he was called a "media whore" in <I>The Globe and Mail</I> (which was just quoting Garth Turner anyway)...<BR/><BR/>Jonathan Kay disgraced himself by not challenging some of the irrational assertions that were made, but then, that's what he does.<BR/><BR/>All in all, very revealing. These people are lucky no one is thinking about criminalising dumb speech...Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-45637992477652043542008-03-07T16:03:00.000-05:002008-03-07T16:03:00.000-05:00Ti - sounds like you're from the Henry Morgentaler...Ti - sounds like you're from the Henry Morgentaler school of abortion, which essentially amounts to a pro-eugenices argument. Super.ALWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00875223933170574566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-52447071210006469372008-03-07T14:21:00.000-05:002008-03-07T14:21:00.000-05:00After all, if defeating it allows just one crimina...<I>After all, if defeating it allows just one criminal who kills an unborn child to walk free, it's worth it</I><BR/><BR/>Maybe that child would have grown up to be the next Hitler. In that case, it would be worth it.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-40766030779971827182008-03-07T14:08:00.001-05:002008-03-07T14:08:00.001-05:00After all, if defeating it allows just one crimina...After all, if defeating it allows just one criminal who kills an unborn child to walk free, it's worth it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-76058498601194341292008-03-07T14:08:00.000-05:002008-03-07T14:08:00.000-05:00I'm sensing a Bread and Roses campaign to pile on ...I'm sensing a <I>Bread and Roses</I> campaign to pile on Liberal bloggers again.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.com