tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post2507369077055378502..comments2024-03-29T04:13:44.353-04:00Comments on BigCityLib Strikes Back: Scruton On Conservative Environmentalismbigcitylibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-26468580339205711842007-07-31T19:33:00.000-04:002007-07-31T19:33:00.000-04:00Emily sent me this message to my hotmail account:I...Emily sent me this message to my hotmail account:<BR/><BR/>I wanted to comment but couldn't gather my thoughts quickly enough. Private ownership is disastrous for wetland environments here in Eastern Ontario. To protest the Ontario government's environmental protection policies, local farmers have clear cut their wetlands rather than respect the wildlife in them according to present law.<BR/> <BR/>Any talk of conservatives as protectors of the environment should include at least a reference to Conservative leader John Tory's 'private ownership' candidate, Randy Hillier. He has been leader of the Landowners' atrocious activities in Lanark County and the rest of Eastern Ontario. To place any trust in these 'boys' to do the right thing with regards to the environment is sheer idiocy.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-15714456655675615942007-07-31T17:10:00.000-04:002007-07-31T17:10:00.000-04:00Yes, yawn loudly. Open that mouth......wider...wi...Yes, yawn loudly. Open that mouth...<BR/><BR/>...wider...<I>wider</I>...Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-38748531021949902632007-07-31T13:58:00.000-04:002007-07-31T13:58:00.000-04:00= ti guy said:=" . nothing much . "Even bigger yaw...= ti guy said:=<BR/>" . nothing much . "<BR/><BR/>Even bigger yawn here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-90207412768226277102007-07-31T09:52:00.000-04:002007-07-31T09:52:00.000-04:00Hentai-guy, your comments are always so well consi...Hentai-guy, your comments are always so well considered and insightful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-67792723485573168382007-07-31T09:23:00.000-04:002007-07-31T09:23:00.000-04:00*yawn*....Little anonymii regurgitating Atlas Shru...*yawn*....Little anonymii regurgitating <I>Atlas Shrugged</I> (probably the only book they've ever read).<BR/><BR/>Heard it all before. "Ownership" and the public good it is to protect doesn't mean "private ownership."Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-83057687027293630712007-07-31T01:42:00.000-04:002007-07-31T01:42:00.000-04:00= holly stick said: =="The problem with making a r...= holly stick said: =<BR/>="The problem with making a religion of property rights is that unless the property owners live on the land, they may not give a shit about conserving it, preferring to gut it for short-term profit."=<BR/><BR/>It's best to make a religion of property rights. <BR/><BR/>Owners of land don't "gut it". Having purchased it, it's too valuable to waste.<BR/><BR/>= holly stick further says: = <BR/>="It's a question of who controls the land, and if they are willing to work for the public good or for private greed."=<BR/><BR/>Private ownership is for the public good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-83529115837130421042007-07-30T21:52:00.000-04:002007-07-30T21:52:00.000-04:00"...If nobody "owns" it, nobody respects it. The t..."...If nobody "owns" it, nobody respects it. The trick is in identifying which group really has the best interest at heart for any particular parcel of land, and any habitats/micro-environments adjoining it or affected by it."<BR/><BR/>The problem with making a religion of property rights is that unless the property owners live on the land, they may not give a shit about conserving it, preferring to gut it for short-term profit.<BR/><BR/>It's a question of who controls the land, and if they are willing to work for the public good or for private greed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-24681693624922509712007-07-30T16:21:00.000-04:002007-07-30T16:21:00.000-04:00My only point about eco-trekkers was that they are...My only point about eco-trekkers was that they are perhaps in the 'jack of all trades' category, where they may experience a wide variety of different habitats away from where they live, but not be as in touch as a local person in their home environment. They may indeed be, however. I don't know any eco-trekkers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-9411933843342960772007-07-30T14:53:00.000-04:002007-07-30T14:53:00.000-04:00Anon 2:56,I have no problems with Ducks Unlimited'...Anon 2:56,<BR/><BR/>I have no problems with Ducks Unlimited's conservation efforts. My point is merely that a fair bit of what they do is lobby government.<BR/><BR/>(And actually, eco-trekkers often have an excellent idea of what is in the local ecosystem.)<BR/><BR/>Anon, 3:04 wrote:<BR/><BR/>"Best not play with the adults . . ."<BR/><BR/>Adults and Seniors (Tim Ball). I notice that you are able to maintain a semblance of rationality when you post to Steves site.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-40055679147111929072007-07-30T14:52:00.000-04:002007-07-30T14:52:00.000-04:00SOMEBODY has to take 'ownership' of the land, that...SOMEBODY has to take 'ownership' of the land, that's a given. The socialist view that everybody owns the land just leads to neglect and disaster - the tragedy of the commons at play. If nobody "owns" it, nobody respects it. The trick is in identifying which group really has the best interest at heart for any particular parcel of land, and any habitats/micro-environments adjoining it or affected by it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-69003884652805957162007-07-30T14:04:00.000-04:002007-07-30T14:04:00.000-04:00Where are your comments on having your asshole rea...Where are your comments on having your asshole reamed out over at Steve's site to something approaching the Grand Canyon's size?<BR/><BR/>gawd it must hurt being so totally reamed & fisked, at the same time.<BR/><BR/>Best not play with the adults . . .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-73341876876743140492007-07-30T13:56:00.000-04:002007-07-30T13:56:00.000-04:00Take an example from hunters. Hunting groups such...Take an example from hunters. Hunting groups such as Ducks Unlimited, Delta Waterfowl, Ruffed Grouse Society, NAWTF, Pheasants Forever, Sharptails Forever, etc. have habitat preservation as their number one priority. Without natural specific habitat preservation, there will not be wildlife, period. Hunters, fishers, trappers, are bell-weather environmentalists in the true sense. They have their fingers on the pulse of the environment in which they pursue their sport/livelihood. Water quality, land development, farming, industry, logging, and so forth can all have negative impacts on these habitat areas, and hunters & fishers are quick to protect these habitats. However, these passtimes are not seen as 'politically correct' and entrance into them is discouraged through various means. The more people we have outdoors the better, and more vocal voices can be added to the mix to preserve the natural habitat. What does a mountain biker care for wetland preservation? When does a jogger think twice about the effects of a hydro dam on a salmon river? Do eco-trekkers even know what sharptailed grouse habitat even looks like? These people have a vested interest in having these habitats preserved forever, for their enjoyment and for others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com