tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post3101692619726027314..comments2024-03-29T04:13:44.353-04:00Comments on BigCityLib Strikes Back: Renowned Water Witch Tells Maldives' President: Don't Worry About Global Warmingbigcitylibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-72919863377762586652009-10-22T15:55:14.427-04:002009-10-22T15:55:14.427-04:00"And if it is decadal variation, then there i..."And if it is decadal variation, then there is no acceleration."<br /><br />I'll try and go slowly for you, Paul. <br />Here is your original claim:<br /><br />"Considering sea level rise is currently less then 2mm per year by tidal gauge data and shows no sign whatsover of acceleration..."<br /><br />As we can see from the science I provided links to, this is completely false. Firstly, sea-level rise is currently approx 3mm per year, not less than 2mm. Secondly, this is a sharp increase from the 20th century average of approx. 1.7mm, which <i>itself</i> represents an increase from the relatively stable sea level in the preceeding 2000 to 3000 years. In common english parlance an increase in rate is known as an <b>acceleration</b>.<br />So, we can see that sea-level rise <b>accelerated</b> in the 20th century and further <b>accelerated</b> late in that same century. <br />Now, as you point out, the IPCC says it is unclear if the <i>latter</i> <b>acceleration</b> is due to "decadal variation" (the former is obviously not). So while sea level rise has <b>accelerated</b>, the question is, is that <b>accelerated</b> long term rate now 1.7 or 3? The IPCC data is now 6 years old, and as we can <a href="http://sealevel.colorado.edu/" rel="nofollow">see</a> the 3+mm/yr now extends to 17 years - which is in excess of any definiton of "decadal" that I'm aware of.Lennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05937127608668201556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-41727623800282279432009-10-22T13:47:10.412-04:002009-10-22T13:47:10.412-04:00Did you read the rest of the document? The IPCC st...Did you read the rest of the document? The IPCC states that the variation could simply be due to decadal variation.<br /><br />And if it is decadal variation, then there is no acceleration.<br /><br />On the answer to this issue (decadal variation vs acceleration), the IPCC said "It is unknown".Gerrard787https://www.blogger.com/profile/14313108762970361402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-16105084218461468132009-10-22T12:24:07.689-04:002009-10-22T12:24:07.689-04:00"Concerning the IPCC, they use the words &quo..."Concerning the IPCC, they use the words "It is unknown", regarding sea level rise acceleration. "<br /><br />Wrong. The IPCC documents an <i>increase</i> in the <i>rate</i> of sea level rise. Paul, do you know what the word is that describes an increase in rate?Lennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05937127608668201556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-31929777209620446202009-10-22T09:30:26.423-04:002009-10-22T09:30:26.423-04:00Paul S: well, the abstract of the Merrrifield art...Paul S: well, the abstract of the Merrrifield article seems quite clear. The only thing that they don't say is what the cut off date is for their data, but since the paper is still in press, I would expect it to be within the last year or two.<br /><br />Regards,<br />JohnJohn Crosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02036006173970624026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-30106942199820073072009-10-22T03:58:36.882-04:002009-10-22T03:58:36.882-04:00See what he does? You give him evidence and he par...<i>See what he does? You give him evidence and he parses it. Meanwhile, he never provides any himself.</i> - Ti<br /><br />According to you warmies, the IPCC is more authoritative then God himself. I quoted directly from God, oops, I mean the IPCC.<br /><br /><i>As anyone who can read can see, the IPCC directly contradicts what you're saying as does the Merrifield paper.</i> - lenny<br /><br />Well, I highly doubt you've read the Merrifield paper, you picked it up from Google and pasted it here simply because you liked the title.<br /><br />Concerning the IPCC, they use the words "It is unknown", regarding sea level rise acceleration. <br /><br />That sounds pretty clear to me. What is it about the words "It is unknown" that is confusing to you?Gerrard787https://www.blogger.com/profile/14313108762970361402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-87251673220414604212009-10-21T23:21:49.014-04:002009-10-21T23:21:49.014-04:00"As I stated previously, at present there is ..."As I stated previously, at present there is no solid evidence for an acceleration in sea level rise. Even the IPCC agrees with me."<br /><br />As anyone who can read can see, the IPCC directly contradicts what you're saying as does the Merrifield paper. Both conclude that sea level rise has <b>accelerated</b> from less than 2mm/yr to over 3.<br />I apologize for calling you a liar, I can see now that you're "special".Lennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05937127608668201556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-72633860575435679132009-10-21T22:06:25.790-04:002009-10-21T22:06:25.790-04:00See what he does? You give him evidence and he pa...See what he does? You give him evidence and he parses it. Meanwhile, he never provides any himself.<br /><br />Let's all review <a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/george-monbiots-troll-problem-and-ours" rel="nofollow">this post</a> dedicated to our Paul.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-4938850452036796052009-10-21T21:07:24.410-04:002009-10-21T21:07:24.410-04:00I checked out your first link Lenny but all it is ...I checked out your first link Lenny but all it is in an abstract without the actual article.<br /><br />Referring to the IPCC report they state the following:<br /><br /><i>It is unknown whether the higher rate in 1993 to 2003 is due to decadal variability or an increase<br />in the longer-term trend.</i><br /><br />As I stated previously, at present there is no solid evidence for an acceleration in sea level rise. Even the IPCC agrees with me.<br /><br />Back to you Einstein. ;)Gerrard787https://www.blogger.com/profile/14313108762970361402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-72503915294339624582009-10-21T19:50:18.233-04:002009-10-21T19:50:18.233-04:00The quickest way to shut Paul up is to ask him on ...The quickest way to shut Paul up is to ask him on what evidence he bases his claims (which, you'll notice, are never accompanied by a source).<br /><br />He's admitted himself that he has no scientific background, so in all likelihood, they're the undigested regurgitations from the usual wingnut sources.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-67653314471889877682009-10-21T19:00:14.807-04:002009-10-21T19:00:14.807-04:00Let us know when you get that paper published, Pro...Let us know when you get that paper published, Professor. Until then we'll have to stick with what the <i>actual science</i> says.<br />http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?doi=10.1175%2F2009JCLI2985.1&request=get-abstract<br />http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/AR4WG1_Print_Ch05.pdfLennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05937127608668201556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-36106476620698218692009-10-21T18:39:10.336-04:002009-10-21T18:39:10.336-04:00The rate of sea level rise since the early 90s is ...<i>The rate of sea level rise since the early 90s is almost double the 20th century rate.</i> - Lenny<br /><br />It ain't so Lenny. That is a misrepresentation warmers have been pushing on the public for awhile now.<br /><br />Sea level has risen at 1.8mm per year for the last century using tidal gauge data and continues rising at that steady rate according to the most recent tidal gauge data.<br /><br />Jason-1 satellite data from 1993 to present indicates a sea level rise of 2.8mm to 3.1mm per year but that is a completely different measurement system.<br /><br />Jason-1 and tidal gauge do not reconcile at present but there is no solid evidence to indicate an acceleration in sea level rise in recent years.Gerrard787https://www.blogger.com/profile/14313108762970361402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-26103646934794364692009-10-21T17:23:09.286-04:002009-10-21T17:23:09.286-04:00I already saw the splooge you left over at the FP,...I already saw the splooge you left over at the FP, Fred. No need to dribble some more of it over here.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-71939681510696984632009-10-21T17:13:53.736-04:002009-10-21T17:13:53.736-04:00Tens of thousands of tourists can now cancel their...Tens of thousands of tourists can now cancel their vacations to the Maldives this sparing the massive CO2 that would spew from the thousands of planes that would have been employed to fly them there.<br /><br />That should stop the planet from warming and the oceans from rising.<br /><br />Unless Obamasiah does it firstAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-12902243054239390462009-10-21T16:07:41.538-04:002009-10-21T16:07:41.538-04:00Just please tell me you aren't beginning to cy...<i>Just please tell me you aren't beginning to cyberstalk me.</i><br /><br />I doubt "Paul Sunstrum" is even your real name.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-66387779958454854102009-10-21T15:58:58.541-04:002009-10-21T15:58:58.541-04:00"Considering sea level rise is currently less..."Considering sea level rise is currently less then 2mm per year by tidal gauge data and shows no sign whatsover of acceleration,"<br /><br />Stop lying Paul Sunstrum. The rate of sea level rise since the early 90s is almost double the 20th century rate.Lennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05937127608668201556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-21462833782250698442009-10-21T15:45:36.078-04:002009-10-21T15:45:36.078-04:00Ti, you can call me Mr. Paul Sunstrum too if you l...Ti, you can call me Mr. Paul Sunstrum too if you like. Just please tell me you aren't beginning to cyberstalk me.Gerrard787https://www.blogger.com/profile/14313108762970361402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-21248845904992139062009-10-21T15:26:59.470-04:002009-10-21T15:26:59.470-04:00Oh dear is right. You might be completely out of ...Oh dear is right. You might be completely out of spunk by then, eh Paul Sunstrum?Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-38063713443761417062009-10-21T15:10:06.421-04:002009-10-21T15:10:06.421-04:00And speaking of Gordon Brown, we now have only 47 ...And speaking of Gordon Brown, we now have only 47 days left to save the world from global warming. Oh dear.Gerrard787https://www.blogger.com/profile/14313108762970361402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-71180357436187188212009-10-21T14:50:44.792-04:002009-10-21T14:50:44.792-04:00The Maldivians are getting their oar in the water,...The Maldivians are getting their oar in the water, so to speak, for some of the $100 billion/year that Brit warmer, and soon to be X-PM, Gordon Brown wants the worlds "rich" countries to pony up for the lesser rich countries (like China)to help them prepare for the coming apocalypse. <br /><br />This was a clever stunt and certainly got the media attention, until bubble boy took over.Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18297103542166827777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-37141822410913021612009-10-21T14:40:31.664-04:002009-10-21T14:40:31.664-04:00I watched the clip and you have the audacity to ca...I watched the clip and you have the audacity to call Morner the kook BCL?<br /><br />Considering sea level rise is currently less then 2mm per year by tidal gauge data and shows no sign whatsover of acceleration, residents of Maldive can likely rest easy.Gerrard787https://www.blogger.com/profile/14313108762970361402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-30867697024938741922009-10-21T13:51:09.194-04:002009-10-21T13:51:09.194-04:00What's always the worst thing about these type...What's always the worst thing about these types of articles is the wingnut <i>bukkake</i> that takes place in the comments section. Wingnut after wingnut discharging his load onto some target, variously, Al Gore, the 'Left,' or in one instance here, the hapless Republic of the Maldives itself.<br /><br />*bleah*Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.com