tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post3510324492447559474..comments2024-03-29T04:13:44.353-04:00Comments on BigCityLib Strikes Back: GreenPeace Emulates Marc Moranobigcitylibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-28215730505449536492010-04-06T14:31:06.153-04:002010-04-06T14:31:06.153-04:00re science/sea ice:
http://chartsgraphs.wordpress....re science/sea ice:<br />http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/2010/04/06/visualizing-arctic-sea-ice-extent-trends/nonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10534529225492049431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-69662713478923201462010-04-06T12:29:46.367-04:002010-04-06T12:29:46.367-04:00elroy, even Solomon notes that this has little sig...elroy, even Solomon notes that this has little significance to climate change, or didn't you read that far?Holly Stickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01137842937086115228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-87245226690919121092010-04-06T07:51:40.611-04:002010-04-06T07:51:40.611-04:00Arctic Ice at High Point, or, more bad news for wa...Arctic Ice at High Point, or, more bad news for warmers:<br /><br />"The Arctic ocean has more ice today that it did last year at this time, more than it had the previous year at this time or the year before that or the year before that. More ice, in fact that at any time since the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency, using a sensor launched on a NASA satellite in mid 2002, began tracking the extent of Arctic ice." L Solomon, NP, 6 AprilFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18297103542166827777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-73394317803857129112010-04-05T23:37:29.285-04:002010-04-05T23:37:29.285-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.juandoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01656743466655157652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-62682673749845783072010-04-05T18:03:38.283-04:002010-04-05T18:03:38.283-04:00Excellent, Ti-Guy, thank you for proving my point....<i>Excellent, Ti-Guy, thank you for proving my point.</i><br /><br />I didn't even know you had one.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-75363678928390348572010-04-05T16:25:28.121-04:002010-04-05T16:25:28.121-04:00Excellent, Ti-Guy, thank you for proving my point....Excellent, Ti-Guy, thank you for proving my point. Honestly, I don't believe I need any of your help with logic, reason, or science. Spelling? Yes. I am honored that the Captain of the grammar police will oblige! I honestly do appreciate that.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11953975049118261392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-11807602631211012342010-04-05T15:56:04.183-04:002010-04-05T15:56:04.183-04:00That's "cue."
I can't help you ...That's "cue."<br /><br />I can't help you with logic, reason or the basics of the hard sciences (I'm sure abler, more devoted people have tried and have, quite obviously, failed), but I can help with the spelling.<br /><br />You're welcome.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-87922701585947147982010-04-05T15:47:21.408-04:002010-04-05T15:47:21.408-04:00Right on que, Ti-Guy. Since your science won'...Right on que, Ti-Guy. Since your science won't stand up to scrutiny, you resort to ad hominem attacks.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11953975049118261392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-79880414943525449152010-04-05T15:12:55.286-04:002010-04-05T15:12:55.286-04:00I have some issues with your post. Apparently all ...<i>I have some issues with your post. Apparently all conservatives are violent people who lie like you peach loving progressives breathe, but in the same post you applaude the action of "appearing menacing", whatever that means. But, only resorting to such action when logic reason (.0385% of the atmosphere running the entire show; this is comparable to saying that hot dog vendors are controlling what happens at a baseball game). Also, what is the compelling evidence? Computer models? I haven't seen the evidence thus far. When you make rediculous remarks such as those above, I automatically disregard any of your thoughts on the subject.</i><br /><br />I don't think this pre-literate piece of drivel could have been crafted to sound any stupider if its author had been to paid to make it so. It's so breathtakingly, multi-dimensionally dumb: reason, logic, fact and the rudiments of language all get their fair share of attention.<br /><br />Nicely done! You're my new favourite online commenting nobody.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-81525986651362157512010-04-05T15:04:24.204-04:002010-04-05T15:04:24.204-04:00In this country that could get you called before o...<i>In this country that could get you called before one of our infamous Human Rights Commissions.</i><br /><br />No it doesn't, dumbo. If anything is perceived as a real threat of violence, it's a police matter first.<br /><br />Jesus, wingnuts sure are ignorant when it comes to all of that <i>law and order</i> stuff they can't shut up about.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-68749886046441932752010-04-05T14:55:24.628-04:002010-04-05T14:55:24.628-04:00Ti-Guy, I have some issues with your post. Appare...Ti-Guy, I have some issues with your post. Apparently all conservatives are violent people who lie like you peach loving progressives breathe, but in the same post you applaude the action of "appearing menacing", whatever that means. But, only resorting to such action when logic reason (.0385% of the atmosphere running the entire show; this is comparable to saying that hot dog vendors are controlling what happens at a baseball game). Also, what is the compelling evidence? Computer models? I haven't seen the evidence thus far. When you make rediculous remarks such as those above, I automatically disregard any of your thoughts on the subject.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11953975049118261392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-33016836641566884112010-04-05T14:42:57.314-04:002010-04-05T14:42:57.314-04:00The science will overwhelm the political b.s. soon...The science will overwhelm the political b.s. sooner or later.denishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03004199952371178655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-1687139824422908332010-04-05T14:41:42.372-04:002010-04-05T14:41:42.372-04:00The science will out, sooner or later
http://docs...The science will out, sooner or later<br /><br />http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddrj9jjs_0fsv8n9gwdenishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03004199952371178655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-24694637861617742252010-04-05T14:39:31.879-04:002010-04-05T14:39:31.879-04:00The science will out, sooner or later!
http://doc...The science will out, sooner or later!<br /><br />http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddrj9jjs_0fsv8n9gwdenishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03004199952371178655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-17066297579783500912010-04-05T14:33:03.679-04:002010-04-05T14:33:03.679-04:00Andrew, I don't know where you are from. But i...Andrew, I don't know where you are from. But in this country, Canada, you don't need to 'commit a violent act' to be held to account. The mere threat, or less, will do.Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18297103542166827777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-1723673355437720552010-04-05T14:23:52.538-04:002010-04-05T14:23:52.538-04:00haha, elroy...perfect name for a space cadet. remi...haha, elroy...perfect name for a space cadet. remind me, what planet are you from?<br /><br />in all seriousness, can you provide documentation of a violent act committed by Greenpeace? all i'm asking for is a link....nonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10534529225492049431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-90315094232840648762010-04-05T14:09:43.000-04:002010-04-05T14:09:43.000-04:00"He's calling for peaceful civil disobedi..."He's calling for peaceful civil disobedience"- Greenpeace thug<br /><br />"We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work. <br />And we be many, but you be few."- Gene, <br /><br />I doubt a statement like that directed at Greenpeace members, or another group in civil society, would be dismissed as 'peaceful civil disobedience'. In this country that could get you called before one of our infamous Human Rights Commissions. You dead beat marxists have lost it. Your pet cause has been exposed as a scam and is as dead as 'dictatorship of the proletariat'.Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18297103542166827777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-11443145339630207752010-04-05T13:44:21.862-04:002010-04-05T13:44:21.862-04:00we obviously have different views. I see no value ...<i>we obviously have different views. I see no value in making threats...</i><br /><br />Well, history, even recent history, is filled with examples that demonstrate that powerful elites don't really take popular opinion seriously unless it threatens to overwhelm them, or even more likely, just after their indifference has managed to occasion a crisis of some kind.<br /><br />I don't believe in issuing threats of <i>violence</i> of course (I'm not a conservative, after all), but I do believe in appearing menacing, especially after it's been demonstrated that logic reason, compelling evidence and every other more sophisticated means of persuasion have absolutely no effect.<br /><br />Above all though, I think liberals/lefties/progressives need to stop worrying about how the Right will mischaracterise what they say (these people lie like the rest of us breathe, after all) and be prepared to stand by what they say.<br /><br />Apparently, practically nothing is truly actionable anymore, so really, why worry?Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-49820497797414963762010-04-05T13:37:37.154-04:002010-04-05T13:37:37.154-04:00thanks for taking a look - if you happen to see an...thanks for taking a look - if you happen to see an earlier one, please drop a note on my blog - andrewottoson.com - thanks!nonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10534529225492049431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-14268454721155058682010-04-05T13:06:10.293-04:002010-04-05T13:06:10.293-04:00Andrew, just taking a quick look: Motls at the ref...Andrew, just taking a quick look: Motls at the reference frame got it on the 3rd, Bishop Hill and others yesterday (which is where I noticed it). All these guys link to one another and through the CD agregator.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-71670477592926349632010-04-05T12:55:07.340-04:002010-04-05T12:55:07.340-04:00BTW, here's a link to the first place I saw th...BTW, here's a link to the first place I saw this type of mis-read of the Greenpeace blog entry: http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2010/04/open-thread-43-3/#comment-750846<br /><br />Can someone help me locate any/all earlier references than that? Can we figure out what caused this explosion?nonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10534529225492049431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-35428907962995076302010-04-05T12:39:49.747-04:002010-04-05T12:39:49.747-04:00Ti-Guy - we obviously have different views. I see ...Ti-Guy - we obviously have different views. I see no value in making threats, but I also see the possibility of massive harm being done if forceful words are ever excluded from the category of protected free speech.<br /><br />Also, <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=1&tbs=rltm:1&q=greenpeace+%22we+know+where%22&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=" rel="nofollow">this</a> gives me the feeling of watching The Machine at work.<br /><br />http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/polluterwatch/koch-industriesnonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10534529225492049431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-45819993999548559552010-04-05T12:39:01.469-04:002010-04-05T12:39:01.469-04:00Only that this kind of tiny slip becomes a scandal...<i>Only that this kind of tiny slip becomes a scandal de jour for the Fox News crowd.</i><br /><br />What <i>doesn't</i> make the "scandal du jour" (<i>de l'heure</i>, more precisely) with the <i>FoxNews</i> crowd? If there's nothing remotely genuine, they'll just make one up anyway.<br /><br />In their minds, the current US administration has already constructed a network of FEMA concentration camps anyway, so really, what is the point of worrying about how these people will react?Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-883606657383027922010-04-05T12:11:00.915-04:002010-04-05T12:11:00.915-04:00Only that this kind of tiny slip becomes a scandal...Only that this kind of tiny slip becomes a scandal de jour for the Fox News crowd. Assuming it makes it beyond the blogs, which it may or may not do. If so, thats much hassle for Green peace that could have been avoided with one editorial snip.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-75967129894673249722010-04-05T12:06:50.639-04:002010-04-05T12:06:50.639-04:00Disagree with the idea that anything "appeari...<i>Disagree with the idea that anything "appearing" to promote violence is automatically out of bounds.</i><br /><br />So do I. The absence of the appearance of menace is what has led to this state of "learned helplessness" of liberals/lefties/progressives, which is particularly pathetic when you take into account the Right's constant and relentless direct threats of vigilante justice and extra-judicial retribution, assassination and genocide, not to mention their very real support for illegal, immoral military actions that have led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. And of course, the general hate speech that characterises, not the tone, but the <i>content</i> of Rightist discourse is obvious to everyone.<br /><br />...oh, and let's not forget the proliferation of armed domestic terrorist hate-groups in the US, all of which, for the most part, represent the extreme end of the spectrum of conservative politics.<br /><br />I'm not sure what BCL thinks he's accomplishing by highlighting such minor, isolated incidents of intemperate rhetoric, except perhaps to try and maintain the moral high ground, but in this propaganda war, at any rate, it's bordering on prissy mannerism. Not to mention that it appears a little inconsistent on a blog the subtitle of which is "tips on beating down the conservative menace."<br /><br />That being said, violence is always a dead-end. But the power abusers need to know that if they ignore the moderates, they will eventually have to deal with the extremists.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.com