tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post3700203405616119939..comments2024-03-17T03:16:44.995-04:00Comments on BigCityLib Strikes Back: I Doubt Even Conservatives Will Buy His Baloneybigcitylibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-68153037454042306732007-12-03T10:33:00.000-05:002007-12-03T10:33:00.000-05:00Deflecting questions by posting unsubtantiated ins...Deflecting questions by posting unsubtantiated insults - checkGaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-56383589668235355312007-12-03T10:20:00.000-05:002007-12-03T10:20:00.000-05:00By Gayle's definition:I'm "bigoted" for not believ...By Gayle's definition:<BR/><BR/>I'm "bigoted" for not believing Muslim's should be excepted from showing their faces while voting (and also getting into over 18 clubs, buying cigarettes ect.)<BR/><BR/>and<BR/><BR/>She's bigoted for not believing that Mormans be permitted to marry more than one wife.<BR/><BR/>(Gayle whispering to Bruce Willis while hiding frightened under the table: "....I see bigoted people...they're everywhere")Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-35570491212981083502007-12-03T09:43:00.000-05:002007-12-03T09:43:00.000-05:00Good lord, how many inane topics can to post on a ...Good lord, how many inane topics can to post on a weekend?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-10874001900581200942007-12-02T19:55:00.000-05:002007-12-02T19:55:00.000-05:00Biff, if it will make you happy, I amend my origin...Biff, if it will make you happy, I amend my original comment to this:<BR/><BR/>"I am glad Dion is taking a stance on this - let the rest of the parties fight for the bigots' vote."<BR/><BR/>Now, do try to address the fact the legislation accomplishes nothing but to target this religious group.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-34431759817335685252007-12-02T19:42:00.000-05:002007-12-02T19:42:00.000-05:00Saying the same thing over and over again without ...Saying the same thing over and over again without actually addressing the post - check.<BR/><BR/>Still a conservative troll...Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-86108020719716419292007-12-02T16:09:00.000-05:002007-12-02T16:09:00.000-05:00Because Gayle doesn't get subtlety:Islam isn't a r...Because Gayle doesn't get subtlety:<BR/><BR/>Islam isn't a race, its a religion.<BR/><BR/>Just as Christianity isn't a race, its a religion. (Christianity was referred to because some on the left have this rediculous double standard - there are correct religions and not so correct religions, christianity being a current politically incorrect one.)<BR/><BR/>As a religion Islam is a set of ideals, dogma and values that are particular to the members of the group. They are not inherent to a "race".<BR/><BR/>What any particular religious group believes in doesn't/shouldn't dictate how our laws are enforced.<BR/><BR/>In this instance there is no "race" involved - just a belief that by a woman showing her face in public (in particular to men) she shames herself and risks "seducing" men with an uncontrollable sexual urge.<BR/><BR/>Not even all muslims believe this (as many do not wear full body and facial covers), but only those of a more strict belief.<BR/><BR/>Just as Gayle is not "racist" for not believing in the right of mormons to be polygamous in our society, and not believing there should be laws to allow them to have more than one wife,<BR/><BR/>I and many others are not racist for not believing that a particular subset of Muslims that believe a woman should show no part of her body in public, be permitted to keep their face hidden in all contexts, including while voting. (An exception even Iran and Jordan don't permit.)<BR/><BR/>I understand that you may object to my referring to christian bashing common on the left, as that causes you to confront the obvious double standard that the left employs in their creative use of the "racist" label.<BR/><BR/>You refused to answer my basic questions because you would be caught in your own bigotry laced assumptions about what is, and what is not, "racist". <BR/><BR/>Ironically, the root of all real "racism", and bigotry, is ignorance. A trait you seem to possess in great abundance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-7287114247973454452007-12-02T11:46:00.000-05:002007-12-02T11:46:00.000-05:00Trying the change the channel from criticism of th...Trying the change the channel from criticism of the conservatives to attacks on the liberals - check<BR/><BR/>Twisting one statement into an attack on Christians - check<BR/><BR/>Making great leaps of logic that 2 plus 2 equals 14 and calling that "substance" - check<BR/><BR/>Must be a conservative trollGaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-19435291812768470952007-12-02T11:09:00.000-05:002007-12-02T11:09:00.000-05:00accusations of racism....checkname calling.....che...accusations of racism....check<BR/><BR/>name calling.....check<BR/><BR/>unwilling to adress any substance of the point.....check<BR/><BR/><BR/>Yup, we're on a left wing blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-76147222673338965092007-12-02T07:40:00.000-05:002007-12-02T07:40:00.000-05:00"1) imply I'm a racist (as is anyone who supports ..."1) imply I'm a racist (as is anyone who supports the legislation apparantly)"<BR/><BR/>maybe not. you could just be retarded ;-)....which is nonetheless preferable to being batshit crazy like the above anony.canuckistanianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00224304919198435405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-90748235301307012822007-12-01T19:49:00.000-05:002007-12-01T19:49:00.000-05:00Apparantly monogamy laws do nothing more than "has...Apparantly monogamy laws do nothing more than "hassel" Mormons.<BR/><BR/>Damn racist anti-polygamy laws. You get my point.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I'll let you go. Gail, nice "debating" with you.<BR/><BR/>Signed,<BR/><BR/>the dreaded BiffAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-74050306967415327552007-12-01T19:45:00.000-05:002007-12-01T19:45:00.000-05:00So, just to be clear,I'm this dreaded "biff" chara...So, just to be clear,<BR/><BR/>I'm this dreaded "biff" character,<BR/><BR/>I'm a racist,<BR/><BR/>and I'M the one who's sullying this thread, with off topic nonsense.<BR/><BR/>Nicely done Gail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-61894525853744065932007-12-01T19:32:00.000-05:002007-12-01T19:32:00.000-05:00BCL - the last coupld of posts from heh have the s...BCL - the last coupld of posts from heh have the same style as biff - a common troll on RT's site.<BR/><BR/>His job is to post his nonsense in an effort to change the channel. I did not take his bait and now he is sad. <BR/><BR/>There is no point in trying to engage him in any logical discussion. Just thought I would give you a heads up.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-75199349805800309412007-12-01T19:30:00.001-05:002007-12-01T19:30:00.001-05:00Biff - I am sure you have proven everything in you...Biff - I am sure you have proven everything in your own little world, which is exactly where this debate exists.<BR/><BR/>It must really kill you now that RT is gone -now you have to find some other blogs where you can spout your nonsensical musings.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-78923791108579417462007-12-01T19:30:00.000-05:002007-12-01T19:30:00.000-05:00Heh,The legislation fails at everything unless the...Heh,<BR/><BR/>The legislation fails at everything unless the goal is to hassle Muslim women. And when I say fails I mean fails. The Tories have given out several stories as to why they want this legislation passed. The legislation does not do the job of solving the problems they say it is meant to deal with. All it succeeds in doing is to hassle Muslim women. Is that, for you, the point of the law, and if so isn't that racist?bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-17302976895870439202007-12-01T19:10:00.000-05:002007-12-01T19:10:00.000-05:00You see gail,you throw around highly charged terms...You see gail,<BR/><BR/>you throw around highly charged terms that have huge significance,<BR/><BR/>but you don't really know what it means in any particular context. Nor do you realize how such a loose application of such a heated charge can be applied to those on your side of the political spectrum.<BR/><BR/>You know its bad.<BR/><BR/>And you know you want to try to smear your political adversaries.<BR/><BR/>So you throw it around, apparantly ignorant of both the underlying meaning, and corrosive effect such slinging has on not only the prevailing political debate, but also to those in our society who currently experience or have experienced, real racism.<BR/><BR/>So you don't need to try to answer my questions (or more appropriately dance around them).<BR/><BR/>I think I've proven my point.<BR/><BR/>Now......where do I get that education you were talking about....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-39723172398831160402007-12-01T19:02:00.000-05:002007-12-01T19:02:00.000-05:00Hmmm,1) imply I'm a racist (as is anyone who suppo...Hmmm,<BR/><BR/>1) imply I'm a racist (as is anyone who supports the legislation apparantly), then<BR/><BR/>2) use my objection to say "see, he IS a racist".<BR/><BR/>Quite the compelling case there.<BR/><BR/>No. I'm pretty certain I'm no racist. How bout you Gayle? Care to answer my questions?<BR/><BR/>Here's another more direct one:<BR/><BR/>Are Christians a race?<BR/><BR/>And are anti-chritian comments "racist"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-20058339628543674542007-12-01T17:55:00.000-05:002007-12-01T17:55:00.000-05:00By the way heh - your defensiveness is telling. I ...By the way heh - your defensiveness is telling. I am guessing someone has called you a racist in the past.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-21178412723202755342007-12-01T17:50:00.000-05:002007-12-01T17:50:00.000-05:00'Gayle, here's a thought. It's not RACIST to quest...'Gayle, here's a thought. It's not RACIST to question or contradict particular IDEAS OR BELIEFS."<BR/><BR/>Would you like to point to where I said otherwise?<BR/><BR/>Back to the point of the post - the legislation is racist as it targets a certain racist group but has not real purpose in doing so, because it does not require voters to identify themselves.<BR/><BR/>The rest of your garbage is a creation of your own mind.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-30359475306489406322007-12-01T17:17:00.000-05:002007-12-01T17:17:00.000-05:00One more parting question (can't resist) are those...One more parting question (can't resist) are those who sling insults such as "jesus freak" and other similar degrading phrases towards christians,<BR/><BR/>that I see so many times on left leaning liberal sites,<BR/><BR/>racist?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-87938470563968345892007-12-01T17:13:00.000-05:002007-12-01T17:13:00.000-05:00Iran and Jordan, among other countries that have d...Iran and Jordan, among other countries that have deep Islamic roots in their pupulace and governement, but also have much experience with veiled voting,<BR/><BR/>require women to show their faces (to another woman - which according to Sharia law is fine),<BR/><BR/>I guess they're racist and singling out muslims too eh?? <BR/><BR/>Targeting themselves. Interesting.<BR/><BR/>Gayle, here's a thought. It's not RACIST to question or contradict particular IDEAS OR BELIEFS.<BR/><BR/>Beleive it or not, but our country has collective values and ideas that aren't necessarily shared by those in the rest of the world.<BR/><BR/>And here's another crazy thought: an immigrant's level of "education" may have precious little to do with what they believe in.<BR/><BR/>It may, just may be that it's not that some groups don't "understand" our culture, but rather they don't agree/believe in the norms and values that comprise our culture.<BR/><BR/>Parting question:<BR/><BR/>Are you OK with having sharia law in our country?<BR/><BR/>And if not, do you consider yourself a racist for so thinking?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-90339541488360037412007-12-01T16:20:00.000-05:002007-12-01T16:20:00.000-05:00I guess we could stick with the - "just bring the ...I guess we could stick with the - "just bring the refugees in and then complain when they do not understand our culture" - solution.<BR/><BR/>How has that been working so far?Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-2290520028127438932007-12-01T16:14:00.000-05:002007-12-01T16:14:00.000-05:00Well there we have it.It's so obviously racist I m...Well there we have it.<BR/><BR/>It's so obviously racist I must be foolish and uneducated for thinking otherwise.<BR/><BR/>I guess I need to be re "educated" along with the immigrants (love your simple "just educate the immigrants" solution BTW).<BR/><BR/>Tell me Gayle where is this school on Liberal ideals located?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-46678044240367096542007-12-01T16:01:00.000-05:002007-12-01T16:01:00.000-05:00heh - try not to be so foolish.It is racist indeed...heh - try not to be so foolish.<BR/><BR/>It is racist indeed to pass legislation that purports to target one group. As BCL points out, lifting the veil does nothing to establish identity, and mail in votes are still permitted.<BR/><BR/>So yes, this is racist and I have no problem calling it that - as I did in September when Dion supported this.<BR/><BR/>"There are no real dilemmas in our country regarding the degree to which new cultures, very different from ours, should be assimilated and the extent to which, if any, our laws should be tailored to suit the religios needs of a minority of the population, according to Gayle and her ilk."<BR/><BR/>That is quite the leap of logic (not that logic seems to be one of your strong points).<BR/><BR/>There is, in fact, a huge dilemma in our country when it comes to new immigrants - and that is down to the fact we welcome them, but we provide them little assistance in educating them on our social norms or assisting them to assimilate (note - this is NOT about "reasonable accomodation". I have no issue with people retaining their own religious practices).<BR/><BR/>I word directly with a number of refugee families. For children who have spent their formative years in refugee camps, violence is normalized. Many of these children and youth have been victims of violence, have witnessed violence (like the young Rwandan boy who came home from a soccer game to find his entire family slaughtered), and have perpetrated violence as a means to survive in their war-torn countries. We invite them in and then we do nothing to help them adjust. We do not educate them on our societal norms, yet we react strongly when they do not respect them. Then our politicians start complaining about veils, as if they are important in the grand scheme of things.<BR/><BR/>So heh, get a grip and get educated. Rather than complain (with the protection of anonymity), why don't you do something positive.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-3227072708516396012007-12-01T14:42:00.000-05:002007-12-01T14:42:00.000-05:00BCL,And "racism" bcl,and racism?I'd love someone h...BCL,<BR/><BR/>And "racism" bcl,<BR/><BR/>and racism?<BR/><BR/>I'd love someone here to point out the "racist" charge to Dion.<BR/><BR/>No, I think that special label is reserved for conservative foes.<BR/><BR/>Adds to the debate nicely, don't you think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-78651569915363458132007-12-01T14:19:00.000-05:002007-12-01T14:19:00.000-05:00Actually, heh, if you had read this Blog (and most...Actually, heh, if you had read this Blog (and most other Prog Blogs) when Dion was backing the Tories on this you would have seen him given plenty of shit for it.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.com