tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post7527923114003468209..comments2024-03-29T04:13:44.353-04:00Comments on BigCityLib Strikes Back: NDP Feeling Heat Over Gun Registry?bigcitylibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-10886544035870838322010-04-28T09:40:12.115-04:002010-04-28T09:40:12.115-04:00Uh oh looks like the NDP didnt pay their gardening...Uh oh looks like the NDP didnt pay their gardening bill.Gene Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12438068218145410142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-22095782470756317142010-04-28T07:08:10.552-04:002010-04-28T07:08:10.552-04:00Hi sir
I am a Landscaping Services Calgary near...Hi sir<br /> I am a <a href="http://www.peaksandvalleyslandscaping.com/services.html" rel="nofollow">Landscaping Services Calgary </a> near to your home town. i have faced some new problem relates to NDP..Harrigansturfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17250300862598124784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-58630451632469956402010-04-27T17:08:18.092-04:002010-04-27T17:08:18.092-04:00I imagine that Fred, and CS, have shared many tend...I imagine that Fred, and CS, have shared many tender kisses, and touching moments together already.<br /><br />They are probably cuddling in each others arms, as I speak. Basking in the post orgasmic afterglow.<br /><br />CS, trolls all the internet sites, in search of male lovers. Fred has no idea that he is not CS's one and only.<br /><br />I guess that cat is now out of the bag Fred. CS, is just a slut.Gallahadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07080769095519829015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-56743437535109407112010-04-27T14:55:32.465-04:002010-04-27T14:55:32.465-04:00believe me Canadiansense noone wants to make sexua...believe me Canadiansense noone wants to make sexual requests from the likes of you... I'm imagining Del Mastro in some biker shorts behind a beige Dell...<br /><br />Why don't you and Fred get a room and bucket of KFC? It seems that your idea of intelligent debate seems that greasy.<br /><br />Nice attempt at fake indignation. Might have worked if you didn't resort to it so consistently.Gene Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12438068218145410142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-65834084823906915442010-04-27T12:05:06.505-04:002010-04-27T12:05:06.505-04:00CanadianSense you don't even know the basics a...CanadianSense you don't even know the basics about engaging in an adult debate. Did you even bother to read my posts on how to do this?<br /><br />Why even ask, of course not.<br /><br />Two full more current threads now on the gun registry debate here, and you're still going on at this one.<br /><br />Now go make like the birds and flock off.Tof KWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756310841374198056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-60203099247503014132010-04-27T11:55:33.517-04:002010-04-27T11:55:33.517-04:00Fred,
It is a pity what passes for adult conversa...Fred,<br /><br />It is a pity what passes for adult conversation in debating differences of opinion on this subject. The hostility, fear is rampant of this latest stunt backfiring.<br /><br />1. Personal Insults<br />2. Repeated sexual requests.<br /><br />Let's hope the NDP leadership on free votes continues to allow their MP's to respect the constituents interests instead of special interests' politicial strategists from Toronto-Ottawa.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-19954809949511935022010-04-27T11:26:32.215-04:002010-04-27T11:26:32.215-04:00"This will be framed as political strategists...<i>"This will be framed as political strategists in Toronto/Ottawa vs rural residents. This has been used to raise funds successfully by the CPC for partisan gains for years."</i><br /><br />Man, CanadianShitSense saying the Libs are playing partisan rural vs urban games ...and admitting the Cons have been doing exactly that to increase political donations. Oakville crackpot, do you have any sense of the hypocrisy in this? ...And your posts are full of many more examples.<br /><br />Fred's using the classic Carl Rove tactic (which the CPC has received training in) of attacking the credibility of expert advise.<br /><br />Well Fred, you and CS obviously know more that our national police associations and the chiefs. Bully for you!<br /><br />BTW - I have two friends in the Wat Reg Police force - true blue politically as well. Both support the registry (and a number of their colleagues as well) and wish the CPofC would smarten up on this issue. This blows your whole "real cops don't support the LGR" theory for me. Maybe in SaskAlberta they want it scrapped, but not here.Tof KWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756310841374198056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-19311256283875987182010-04-27T08:26:45.592-04:002010-04-27T08:26:45.592-04:00Yawn, wanking with both hands a bit early today eh...Yawn, wanking with both hands a bit early today eh Canadiansense? Or are you trying to get a point in before Sir Gallahad serves you your ass on a platter again?Gene Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12438068218145410142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-14624643232386598092010-04-27T07:48:10.822-04:002010-04-27T07:48:10.822-04:00Fred,
The 8 Liberal MP's already stated reaso...Fred,<br /><br />The 8 Liberal MP's already stated reasons why the LGR was bad.<br /><br />12 NDP MP's also stood up and voted against the bad policy for similar reasons. They gave their promises to their constituents.<br /><br />This issue illustrates how leadership has failed. This issue has been hijacked by special interest groups trying to link LGR with safety, anti-women issues.<br /><br /><br />The Liberals may have written off the eight rural seats, will the NDP do the same? (I don't see the NDP taking a hit in cities, their base vote is very loyal. <br /><br />Could NDP pick up those eight rural seats from the Liberals? (Have not checked 2nd place in those ridings)<br /><br />This will be framed as political strategists in Toronto/Ottawa vs rural residents. This has been used to raise funds successfully by the CPC for partisan gains for years.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-38969911446824589622010-04-27T05:23:35.548-04:002010-04-27T05:23:35.548-04:00There is a difference between a cop having to assu...There is a difference between a cop having to assume a firearm is present versus knowing not only that the resident(s) have a firearm's licence (which is the registration argument) and actually knowing that there are firearm(S) (as in knowing multiple firearms are present which is a part of the difference between FAC information and the registry's information) present, what kind of firearms and how many that may need to be accounted for and removed (if for example it is a domestic dispute situation where it is needed to make sure all firearms are removed from the environment to prevent violence from occurring once the police leave) which the registry does provide.<br /><br />Is the registry perfect, fool proof and always going to have all the proper information entered? No, but it is still providing significantly more than just whether a person is allowed to have a firearm, and the more information the better.<br /><br />Also registration allows for investigators to backtrack where a firearm originates and that is important in an investigation, even if it was stolen by the time it was used in a crime, anyone that fails to understand how that works clearly knows nothing about basic investigative practices and therefore has no business commenting on such aspects let alone acting as if they have any knowledge of such and how a registry aids in such.<br /><br />Something too many opponents of the registry fail to understand (intentionally or not) is that registration is not confiscation. It is not gun limitation, it is good basic gun safety and control in terms of tracking and sourcing what legal guns are out there as well as where a stolen gun comes from which in turn may help identify the suspect that used it in a crime by giving an investigator a place to start from.<br /><br />The registry was intentionally sabotaged by the Reform/CA/CPC side of the political environment from the outset with campaigns on how to make it less reliable, and to advocate non-compliance making it more expensive to set up and administer, something its detractors tend to fail to remember to mention (if they know this at all). That it is seen as an important tool by virtually (if not actually) all the police representative organizations of this nation is something that speaks volumes for its actual importance as a tool for law enforcement, and that so many of the so called self described law and order Conservatives are failing to accept this shows this is about ideology and about culture war politics and not good government policy, but then little if anything this CPC government and party does considers good governing policy as even a consideration let alone a primary consideration unlike all prior governments both Liberal and PCPC in our history. <br /><br />There is a reason part of our motto is good government, until the Harper CPC came along to power it was something practiced by all governments be they Liberal or PCPC conservative, this government is something unlike anything we have ever experienced before, it is inherently anti-government and against considering the premise that government is ever able to be good and helpful for society. this business with the LGR is only one in a looooong succession of examples of this reality.Scotianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06284856315992405261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-91693232735015080612010-04-27T02:43:10.377-04:002010-04-27T02:43:10.377-04:00Once again Fred from BC confuses opinion with fact...Once again Fred from BC confuses opinion with fact. <br /><br />Why don't you ever provide proof for your statements Fred? All you do is obfuscate and attempt to change the subject. <br /><br />Do you pull your facts from the clouds or your ass? Please tell.Gene Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12438068218145410142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-7816479216173610402010-04-27T01:43:46.182-04:002010-04-27T01:43:46.182-04:00T of KW said...
CS Wrote:
”It is an iss...T of KW said...<br /><br /> <br /> <i> CS Wrote:<br /> ”It is an issue for what special interest groups?”<br /><br /> Umm, I dunno, maybe the boys in blue who face the possibility of getting shot on the job?</i><br /><br /><br /> Wrong. The registry does nothing to make the police any safer on the job. When a police officer approaches a potentially dangerous situation they ALWAYS assume that there could be a firearm present. They know full well that criminals don't register their guns (which are usually handguns anyway, thus not even subject to this registry) and they never would dare relax and let their guard down because the computer told them it was safe to do so.<br /><br />(that's hardly rocket science, just common sense..)<br /><br /> <br /><i> Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police</i><br /><br /><br /> Political appointees all, doing as they are told by their bosses.<br /><br /><br /> <i> Canadian Police Association</i><br /><br /><br /> Did they poll their membership?<br /><br /><br /> <i> Coalition for Gun Control</i><br /><br /><br /> Oh, please. Kooky Wendy MAKES HER LIVING at this.<br /><br /><br /><i> + most other police associations representing front-line police officers</i><br /><br /><br /> BUT NOT ALL. See Saskatchewan, Calgary...<br /><br /> (and hey, you left out the old "police access the registry 11,000 times PER DAY!" misdirection. Tsk, tsk...) <br /><br /> <br /><i> WFP: Canadian police want to keep gun registry going</i><br /><br /><br /> I wonder what else they want?<br /><br /> A complete ban on civilian firearms ownership? An end to the requirements for search warrants? The power to search anyone's person, vehicle or computer? Hey, why not? What have you got to hide?<br /><br /> (oh, I know: the return of Capital Punishment. Especially for cop-killers. Right?..)<br /><br /> The vested interests of the police are not the issue here. The uselessness of the long-gun registry is the real issue, and the foolishness of the Liberals who are trying to score some political points with it. It's a lose-lose situation for Ignatieff...he just doesn't know it yet...Fred from BChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12914558903316825761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-50348220795567014262010-04-26T22:02:19.533-04:002010-04-26T22:02:19.533-04:00I guess I will leave Jim alone.
He only has made ...I guess I will leave Jim alone.<br /><br />He only has made one comment, even if it was bullshit.<br /><br />I don't want Jim, to have a spazzout.<br /><br />Canadian Sense took a beating today, and I feel it fair to only pound the shit out of one of them a day.<br /><br />Anything more would seem like greed.Gallahadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07080769095519829015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-36363743070393039432010-04-26T21:29:13.849-04:002010-04-26T21:29:13.849-04:00Im just wondering how much longer Jim can hold it ...Im just wondering how much longer Jim can hold it together before he has one of his famous spazzoutsGene Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12438068218145410142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-22377739521797726952010-04-26T20:36:40.216-04:002010-04-26T20:36:40.216-04:00Hey,
Jim is back.
Jim weren't you acting lik...Hey,<br /><br />Jim is back.<br /><br />Jim weren't you acting like the big man on Far and Wide?<br /><br />You challenged Steve, to delete your post.<br /><br />Guess what big boy, he did.<br /><br />I guess you are now banned there.<br /><br />We now have the pleasure of the company of three Far and Wide rejects.<br /><br />Jim, Fred from BC, and Canadian Sense.<br /><br />Wow, you guys are sure one impressive list.Gallahadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07080769095519829015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-23863939099189847702010-04-26T20:23:15.128-04:002010-04-26T20:23:15.128-04:00Ever the apologist eh Jim?Ever the apologist eh Jim?Gene Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12438068218145410142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-58154308626009901192010-04-26T19:53:18.918-04:002010-04-26T19:53:18.918-04:00To be fair, Harper voted Yea at the first reading ...To be fair, Harper voted Yea at the first reading only.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14984716150769477615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-65734462894499075942010-04-26T13:02:19.164-04:002010-04-26T13:02:19.164-04:00Sorry looked it up and the vote was in 1995, he wa...Sorry looked it up and the vote was in 1995, he was the only Reform MP to vote in support of this bill.Tof KWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756310841374198056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-74176525122371961282010-04-26T12:59:23.312-04:002010-04-26T12:59:23.312-04:00CS:
Why do you not support our cops?
Why do you th...CS:<br />Why do you not support our cops?<br />Why do you think you know more than they do?<br /><br />Also, note the newest thread here showing the majority of Canadians want the registry kept.<br /><br />Our police want it, the public wants it. I think we need some sort of registry, and I've actually hunted (dropped it long ago, I don't even fish much). Why do you (who doesn't even hunt) support a bunch of gun-toting rednecks and think they rate more than the police and public safety?<br /><br />Also, why is Harper wiping his own party over a private members bill? Blame Harper as much as you do the Libs (and maybe NDP) on this matter.<br /><br />I don't expect logical answers, just hi-lighting your hypocrisy. Think with your brain instead of spreading Harper's talking points.<br /><br />BTW - Harper voted for the registry in 1993. He actually did the Reform Party thing and voted the way his constituency wished.Tof KWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756310841374198056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-90671816208265989782010-04-26T12:30:54.002-04:002010-04-26T12:30:54.002-04:00CS,
Why are the police chiefs a cult?
Why do the...CS,<br /><br />Why are the police chiefs a cult?<br /><br />Why do the police chiefs, and law enforcement officers want the registry?<br /><br />You haven't answered one damn question posed to you by TofKW.<br /><br />Did you even read his posts?<br /><br />You haven't posed an intelligent or articulate response to anything.<br /><br />You are rude and ignorant, and you think your point of view is the only one that matters.<br /><br />When you are asked a question, you do not even have the courtesy to answer it, but rather you post more incoherent bullshit.<br /><br />You wonder why you get mocked, and insulted?<br /><br />You wonder why no one takes you seriously?<br /><br />Take a look in the mirror buddy, you are one delusional piece of work.Gallahadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07080769095519829015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-1536672632735978692010-04-26T12:18:38.736-04:002010-04-26T12:18:38.736-04:00TofKW,
You made several posts why you feel your o...TofKW,<br /><br />You made several posts why you feel your opinion is more important than mine.<br /><br />You included several opinions and links from stakeholders that are partisan, may have a vested interest.<br /><br />You engaged in personal insults and attacks.<br /><br />Again we have been around this before.<br /><br />You have no difficulty is repeating disparaging remarks when someone disagrees with your opinion or encouraging personal attacks.<br /><br />I chose not to follow your debating style in using the "arrogant, stupid" narrative.<br /><br />Fortunately in Canada we are allowed to agree to disagree. The "Big Tent" is apparently a myth.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-24928058448399311722010-04-26T12:06:43.787-04:002010-04-26T12:06:43.787-04:00Sharon,
Thank you for not engaging with a persona...Sharon,<br /><br />Thank you for not engaging with a personal attack.<br /><br />No one asked if the CPC are playing political games: LGR as a private members Bill or framing it to their benefit against "Toronto strategists in the left.<br /><br />If you can find a blanket statement against Toronto citizens from the CPC please let me know.<br /><br />I posted months ago on this blog the CPC benefit strategically by using Toronto elites, strategists from the left. <br /><br />Every political party engages and play games with motions and Bills.<br /><br />If LGR is a National Policy, why use a blanket statement regarding the province of Quebec?<br /><br />Perception vs Reality (Political Issues) <br />In November 2009 Quebec had two contests, a Bloc seat held for 16 years was lost to the incumbent government. Does this mean the entire province has gone CPC? No<br /><br />How did the Liberals fare in Quebec did their vote share go up or down? Are you suggesting the Liberals failure to block LGR was responsible for them in finishing behind everyone except the Greens?CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-72444417383573256272010-04-26T11:48:06.332-04:002010-04-26T11:48:06.332-04:00CS, engaging in a debate with you is like playing ...CS, engaging in a debate with you is like playing whack-a-mole at a carnival. I could continue to refute each point you make, but you just bring up 10 news one without actually addressing the facts I've presented.<br /><br />I refuse to continue banging my head against a wall.<br /><br />I've presented a solid reason why the long gun registry should be kept. The police need it. Now I know you know more than they do CanadianSense, but can you see why maybe Ignatieff is siding with the police chiefs on this issue?Tof KWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756310841374198056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-6190350465533585512010-04-26T11:45:24.143-04:002010-04-26T11:45:24.143-04:00CS, yes because all issues should be boiled down t...CS, yes because all issues should be boiled down to regionalism... root, root, root for the hometeam and all that jazz. <br /><br />As for running the gun registry as a Toronto issue... you've also forgot about <a href="http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=413070a2-a77b-43ac-ade1-6bfa2805f32b&k=26708" rel="nofollow">Quebec</a> where just 37% support doing away with the long-gun registry. Don't forget to demonize Quebecers too. <br /><br /><i>2) The CPC platform promises to scap the LGR is being acted upon.</i><br /><br />And... sigh... I thought this was a private member's bill. I wish the government had the balls to make it a government bill if they're going to claim credit for it.sharonapple88https://www.blogger.com/profile/11149226422042041129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-90706630262376045532010-04-26T11:29:39.752-04:002010-04-26T11:29:39.752-04:00Gayle,
this is a win-win for the CPC because
1)...Gayle,<br /><br />this is a win-win for the CPC because <br /><br />1) They can afford to run TV, radio spots explaining why the Liberals in Toronto are forcing their rural MP's to keep regulations that don't work.<br /><br />2) The CPC platform promises to scap the LGR is being acted upon.<br /><br />Gayle some see "evil" everywhere.<br /><br />I see Liberals playing games, making cosmetic changes to a bad policy. Not evil just wrong.CanadianSensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01010880162544507668noreply@blogger.com