tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post7606891273023329533..comments2024-03-29T04:13:44.353-04:00Comments on BigCityLib Strikes Back: Steyn Gets Punked By 28 Year Old Literary Hoaxbigcitylibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-17870366118330593302011-01-27T07:53:54.703-05:002011-01-27T07:53:54.703-05:00Just chiming in to note that a world-class spectac...Just chiming in to note that a world-class spectacle of idiotic left-wing self-beclownment never gets old. I'm glad you are on the enemy side; we have nothing to worry about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-64906575316790652582008-12-09T10:11:00.000-05:002008-12-09T10:11:00.000-05:00"Oh, my! I wonder if he has any idea quite what a ..."Oh, my! I wonder if he has any idea quite what a Ryerson-atrophied pansy he sounds wagging his finger at Oriana Fallaci? “Writer-provocateurs” don’t “deal with primary sources”? Well, her “primary source” on Ayatollah Khomeini is Ayatollah Khomeini. What have you got, Finger Boy? When she was hurling her chador at him in 1979, what were you doing? Retyping press releases from Ed Broadbent?"<BR/>kinBoy Doc - did you ever get served!!!!!!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04452151108114040031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-70838479629828446432008-12-04T06:18:00.000-05:002008-12-04T06:18:00.000-05:00I have posted an apology to Mr. Steyn herehttp://b...I have posted an apology to Mr. Steyn here<BR/><BR/>http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/2008/12/apology-to-mark-steyn.html#linksbigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-69392014096047195432008-12-04T03:31:00.000-05:002008-12-04T03:31:00.000-05:00Belial,you're right, but it's even worse than that...Belial,<BR/>you're right, but it's even worse than that; Dr Duh is so clueless it's unbelievable... <A HREF="http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/1531/26" REL="nofollow">Steyn's latest response</A> says it all.<BR/><BR/>- DHHUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03642316905221569741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-4055336944086644802008-12-03T21:02:00.000-05:002008-12-03T21:02:00.000-05:00Good lord, this is the best The Journalism Doctor ...Good lord, <A HREF="http://www.thejournalismdoctor.ca/ViewBlog/17" REL="nofollow">this</A> is the best The Journalism Doctor can do? Steyn can demolish the Doctor's 3 questions with his brains tied behind his back (yeah, yeah, I know, that's where he keeps 'em ... bite me). <BR/><BR/>Here, I'll do it for free. Question [1] simply misreads the quoted portions, egregiously. Question [2] is a cloud of smoke with no specific rebuttal of the translation of the portion in question. And question [3] just misreads the point of the review with typical pedant humorlessness.<BR/><BR/>There, my contribution to promoting understanding.Belialhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00492030719082936888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-46299439228649506312008-12-02T22:29:00.000-05:002008-12-02T22:29:00.000-05:00The kids over at Law R Cool are very entertaining....The kids over at Law R Cool are very entertaining. In their latest update (#4), they say "We make no personal representations of the accuracy of any quote or book, anywhere here." In other words, they've completely retreated from their original point.<BR/><BR/>Apparently the issue now is Steyne's lack of formal education. Or maybe it's that, having read his mind, they conclude that he didn't "fact-check" his quote from a book he was reviewing. In spite of the fact that they don't (now) contest the accuracy of the quote!<BR/><BR/>I particularly like the way they lambast Steyne for not taking comments, when they disallow comments on their thread. Last comment was Nov 30.<BR/><BR/>What a bunch of clowns. I wish them luck in the real world, with their much-vaunted formal education.<BR/><BR/>BTW, commendations for allowing comments BCL, but you really should repair the airbrushing, it just makes you look silly.bodysurferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11615423265080272975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-48875587299072135322008-12-02T19:29:00.000-05:002008-12-02T19:29:00.000-05:00On the question of editorial standard, Slate routi...On the question of editorial standard, Slate routinely places any information about alterations at the foot of the web page (e.g., the original version of this essay said x).<BR/><BR/>Have you heard from Zonis yet? I am on the edge of my seat.<BR/><BR/>And when are you going to underbus the law fools?<BR/><BR/>You've been pretty stand up about this so far (unlike them).cyirushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02446657895805428995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-27860649722768041212008-12-02T14:08:00.000-05:002008-12-02T14:08:00.000-05:00jaycurrie:Thanks DHH. Now I realize that it was th...jaycurrie:<BR/><I>Thanks DHH. Now I realize that it was the full or cloven hoof which made all the difference in the proper treatment of the animal you just shagged.</I><BR/><BR/>Oh, you're welcome! I guess we all learned something during this debacle: I, for one, never imagined how much fun bestiality could be - laughing all the way to the bonk!<BR/><BR/>- DHHUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03642316905221569741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-70046866891029796382008-12-02T13:37:00.000-05:002008-12-02T13:37:00.000-05:00Loss of credibility for the CBC? Now THAT is ri...Loss of credibility for the CBC? Now THAT is rich.....arctic_fronthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16189095097119030301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-36836097771270167352008-12-02T12:56:00.000-05:002008-12-02T12:56:00.000-05:00BCL writes: "Nor is it any kind of journalistic st...BCL writes: <I>"Nor is it any kind of journalistic standard for on-line pieces."</I><BR/><BR/>Really? It looks to me like there's a <B>double</B> standard, one for Steyn but another for you.<BR/><BR/>By the way, the CBC does have a standard for corrections in online pieces, you can see it here:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/accountability/journalistic/archives.shtml" REL="nofollow"> Online Policies </A> <BR/><BR/>Quote: <I> If it is found that an archived news item includes an error, the provisions of the policy on Corrections (IV.B.10.) of CBC Journalistic Standards and Practices will apply.<BR/><BR/>Any corrections placed in archives must include the date the correction was filed. Corrections should, where possible, be linked to or appear with the item being corrected.</I><BR/><BR/>Section IV.B.10, referenced above, states: <I>The CBC will not hesitate to admit and correct a material error when it is established that one has been made. To do otherwise or to defend a program exhibiting poor taste or unacceptable ethics or containing errors would lead inevitably to loss of credibility by the CBC.</I><BR/><BR/>In other words, "responsible journalists" (if the CBC can be considered such) <I>do</I> have a standard for online pieces; you just don't feel bound by that standard. The CBC is right about one thing, though: "... To do otherwise ... would lead inevitably to loss of credibility."Mike Baughmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12581363160982875989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-57851403581834301992008-12-02T09:07:00.000-05:002008-12-02T09:07:00.000-05:00Craig, I altered the origonal post because it was ...<I>Craig, I altered the origonal post because it was in error. I didn't do that little strike through thing because I think it is inelegant. Nor is it any kind of journalistic standard for on-line pieces.</I><BR/><BR/>While it may look inelegant and is not a journalistic standard, it is however, a general rule among most credible bloggers to use strikeouts when correcting errors, particularly when that error was the main point of your post. Considering Steyn has provided a credible refutation of the accusations leveled by you and the Law is Cool kids, your whitewashed editing has only further damaged your credibility on this matter.Hoosier Daddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12872965118921894534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-17697586368208841822008-12-02T08:59:00.000-05:002008-12-02T08:59:00.000-05:00"I altered the origonal [sic] post because it was ..."I altered the origonal [sic] post because it was in error."<BR/><BR/>Which is Steyn's point exactly.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04401684824338596942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-61618230551959956322008-12-02T06:01:00.000-05:002008-12-02T06:01:00.000-05:00Craig, I altered the origonal post because it was ...Craig, I altered the origonal post because it was in error. I didn't do that little strike through thing because I think it is inelegant. Nor is it any kind of journalistic standard for on-line pieces.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-22516420800326545722008-12-02T00:33:00.000-05:002008-12-02T00:33:00.000-05:00BCL - I respected the fact that you let all of the...BCL - <BR/>I respected the fact that you let all of the comments stand, even the negative ones. But why did you alter your original post?<BR/><BR/>And you might want to jettison the illiterate law fools. They are now claiming that the translations in 'A Clarification of Questions' are faulty too. You know, the book your friend Zonis approved of.<BR/><BR/>BTW, have you heard from him yet?<BR/>Just asking.cyirushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02446657895805428995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-38422784811692438422008-12-01T21:48:00.000-05:002008-12-01T21:48:00.000-05:00If I have made an error, Mr. Steyn will get an apo...<I>If I have made an error, Mr. Steyn will get an apology. </I><BR/><BR/>Which is already rendered useless by fact of the airbrushing. The apology of a journalistic coward isn't worth the cyber-bits of space it occupies.Joan of Argghh!https://www.blogger.com/profile/14729682908266300507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-8598511593197232192008-12-01T18:51:00.000-05:002008-12-01T18:51:00.000-05:00Come on, admit it, you clowns are just making up w...<I>Come on, admit it, you clowns are just making up whatever suits you. And linking to actual hate sites which you strangely fail to recognise as such.</I><BR/><BR/>A hate site is one that promotes contempt/ hatred usually of a race, creed, or religion. Here's the page on <A HREF="http://URL" REL="nofollow">Shiachat's mission</A><BR/><BR/><I>Here at ShiaChat.com, we have one unifying goal: to seek out the Truth. It doesn’t matter what faith you do (or don’t) adhere to, what race you belong to, how many years you have tucked under your belt or what your philosophy in life is. As long as you’re eager to exchange thoughts, explore new concepts or gain a better understanding of Islam, you’ll be right at home on this board.<BR/><BR/>ShiaChat.com welcomes individuals from all walks of life and and there exists a diverse mix of cultures and ideologies amongst our members. </I><BR/><BR/>I'm not impressed by the comment of Guest_so_solid_shia_* who threatened violence... but in a real hate site, people would be parroting his comments and adding their own threats. Instead people just ignored him and continued the discussions. He or she was the exception, not the rule to the site.<BR/><BR/>Not many hate sites would have people posting the following: <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=234953224&view=findpost&p=1766762" REL="nofollow">Peace and Grace to christians<BR/>Salam Ullah Alaikum to Muslims <BR/>Shalom to Jews</A>. <BR/><BR/><BR/>My whole point of linking Shiachat in the first place was to find out what the discussion was like from inside the actual group on the topic. This is the first thing we should do -- actually talk to the people we're trying to understand. Or else we sort of end up like <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favell_Lee_Mortimer" REL="nofollow">Mrs. Favell Lee Mortimer,</A> who wrote rather nasty things about other countries (almost all of it completely wrong), but who stepped outside of England just twice -- once to Brussels and Paris, and the other trip was to Scotland. <BR/><BR/>I'll confess to having learned a few things on this thread, but I stand behind my basic points, which I suppose everyone does as well. <BR/><BR/>Peace and grace to all of us. <BR/><BR/>Amen.sharonapple88https://www.blogger.com/profile/11149226422042041129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-35698056336451363742008-12-01T17:33:00.000-05:002008-12-01T17:33:00.000-05:00I am hoping that Mr. Zonis answers my emailIs ther...<I>I am hoping that Mr. Zonis answers my email</I><BR/><BR/>Is there any particular reason why you're not taking Steyn up on his offer? Other than the obvious one?Jon Sandorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09706441292126555891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-20974604670325776882008-12-01T17:25:00.000-05:002008-12-01T17:25:00.000-05:00Dr. Miller accused Steyn of taking material for hi...<I>Dr. Miller accused Steyn of taking material for his review of Oriana Fallaci’s final book</I><BR/><BR/>You remind me of my dog. When it poops on the floor it tries to pretend that some other dog did it. Which is funny, since there is no other dog.Jon Sandorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09706441292126555891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-13226437465361957782008-12-01T17:23:00.000-05:002008-12-01T17:23:00.000-05:00Sort of balances out Steyn.Now you're saying that ...<I>Sort of balances out Steyn.</I><BR/><BR/>Now you're saying that Steyn is threatening people's lives? <BR/><BR/>Come on, admit it, you clowns are just making up whatever suits you. And linking to actual hate sites which you strangely fail to recognise as such.Jon Sandorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09706441292126555891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-15031402989996615892008-12-01T15:14:00.000-05:002008-12-01T15:14:00.000-05:00Thank goodness for screen captures and google cach...Thank goodness for screen captures and google cache...<BR/><BR/>Otherwise BCL's airbrushing would go unnoticed...Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08833076599650152590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-81801461873525091722008-12-01T13:46:00.000-05:002008-12-01T13:46:00.000-05:00Seconding Belial's comment (2:05):"... it's custom...Seconding Belial's comment (2:05):<BR/><BR/>"... it's customary when revising a post (especially in response to a criticism or correction posted elsewhere) to leave the original text in strikeout type. You ought to restore your original attribution of Steyn's excerpt to America Alone rather than just changing it ..."<BR/><BR/>Say, I wonder if Prof. Miller's classes include a lecture or two on disclosing post-publication edits?Mike Baughmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12581363160982875989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-77009271009340605812008-12-01T13:17:00.000-05:002008-12-01T13:17:00.000-05:00Just a reminder. I am hoping that Mr. Zonis answe...Just a reminder. <BR/><BR/>I am hoping that Mr. Zonis answers my email, and will give him a couple of days to do so beore I respond further to Mr. Steyn (Mr Steyn took four days to respond to my first post, so be patient). Zonis' claim in the NYT article is that the quote in the Green Book was not in the Farsi original, which presumably implies that it was not in the Blue Book either (since that is the original). If I have made an error, Mr. Steyn will get an apology. <BR/><BR/>And, Belial, feel free to bite me.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-52643333672667862132008-12-01T13:05:00.000-05:002008-12-01T13:05:00.000-05:00Really sharon? Steyn's defenders warn his critics...Really sharon? Steyn's defenders warn his critics to watch their backs and end their posts with a howl of Marg bar Iraan? Dang, I missed that.<BR/><BR/>Oh and by the way BCL - it's customary when revising a post (especially in response to a criticism or correction posted elsewhere) to leave the original text in strikeout type. You ought to restore your original attribution of Steyn's excerpt to America Alone rather than just changing it to the Fallaci review <I>(Dr. Miller accused Steyn of taking material for his review of Oriana Fallaci’s final book The Force Of Reason from illegitimate sources...)</I> without disclosure.Belialhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00492030719082936888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-82516199168050694082008-12-01T12:58:00.000-05:002008-12-01T12:58:00.000-05:00Actually, the ultimate test would be what would ha...Actually, the ultimate test would be what would happen if you commited beastility in Iran. I'm betting the results won't be pretty if you flew down there and decided to go wild with our four-legged friends. <BR/><BR/><I>Yeah, a response from fanatics who think that critics of Khomeini need to fear for their life.</I><BR/><BR/>Sort of balances out Steyn. :Psharonapple88https://www.blogger.com/profile/11149226422042041129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-42535850444107378382008-12-01T12:54:00.000-05:002008-12-01T12:54:00.000-05:00Well as Steyn notes at least BCL has allowed comme...Well as Steyn notes at least BCL has allowed comments unlike the cretins at Law is Fool.Blazingcatfurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05260488914265052543noreply@blogger.com