tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post8130010584943284717..comments2024-03-28T00:54:34.206-04:00Comments on BigCityLib Strikes Back: Sask. Blogs Aggregator: Striking A Martyr's Posebigcitylibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-57892622510923946682008-04-11T19:55:00.000-04:002008-04-11T19:55:00.000-04:00Joanne writes:"In any case, it's taking the fun ou...Joanne writes:<BR/><BR/>"In any case, it's taking the fun out of blogging."<BR/><BR/>Well, yeah, its always more fun if you can libel people. <BR/><BR/>By the way, given the collapse of the case against Warman re. the Lucy posts, I might ask that you do some renouncing of the remarks of other Conservative bloggers tomorrow, you being a generally decent sort and all, Christian, concerned with truth etc.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-19099246282164128932008-04-11T19:37:00.000-04:002008-04-11T19:37:00.000-04:00Doesn't sound as if he made any effort to stop Ezr...<I>Doesn't sound as if he made any effort to stop Ezra/FreeD et al from reproducing the stuff at their own sites.</I><BR/><BR/>I hear you, but with the internet anyone can download information from a news source assuming it is valid. It would be difficult for that source to retroactively find all the blogs that made references to the content.<BR/><BR/>Or perhaps that is Warman's point...<BR/><BR/>In any case, it's taking the fun out of blogging.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-90770514899606169482008-04-11T12:04:00.000-04:002008-04-11T12:04:00.000-04:00Interesting (and scary) that Kay was still sued if...Interesting (and scary) that Kay was still sued if he apologized. Perhaps it was some legal mumbo jumbo that Warman had to include everyone for his tactic to work?Saskboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13258259356749068135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-91393140321829868482008-04-11T11:45:00.000-04:002008-04-11T11:45:00.000-04:00Joanne,Well, I have been told it might have someth...Joanne,<BR/><BR/>Well, I have been told it might have something to do with Kay's not exercising his right to not have the piece republished. Doesn't sound as if he made any effort to stop Ezra/FreeD et al from reproducing the stuff at their own sites.<BR/><BR/>I think Warman's document mentions something about "the damage having already been done" in regards to Kay, but my memory may be faulty. Certainly, the screw up on Kay's part (here and with the "CHRC is hacking private wifi story") is larger than that of Kate et al. This guy is supposed to know something about verifying stories.<BR/><BR/>(He should also have known who Clatt and Lemire were BEFORE he began writing on this issue. Same reason).bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-34534741306514579372008-04-11T11:33:00.000-04:002008-04-11T11:33:00.000-04:00somena woman, do you have any opinion or speculati...<I>somena woman, do you have any opinion or speculation as to why National Post and Kay were still sued? I've been trying to get my head around that.</I><BR/><BR/>I've been wondering about that too. Jonathan Kay was quick to take down the offending post, and apologize both online and in the print edition. So why wasn't that apology accepted?Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-40140056498893147072008-04-11T10:03:00.000-04:002008-04-11T10:03:00.000-04:00somena woman, do you have any opinion or speculati...somena woman, do you have any opinion or speculation as to why National Post and Kay were still sued? I've been trying to get my head around that.<BR/><BR/>Also, does anyone have any idea how long cases of this kind take to get to court?Reality Biteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10350104223630062677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-64735145681703767072008-04-11T09:56:00.000-04:002008-04-11T09:56:00.000-04:00I'm simply going to repeat what I've been trying t...I'm simply going to repeat what I've been trying to say for 2 days now about this issue which doesn't seem to be sinking in anywhere in the midst of the hankie-clutching and pant-peeing.<BR/><BR/>The people in this case are going to invoke "fair comment" as a defence for what they are doing. The problem is for those concerned about linking and com-boxes... that in order to protect themselves in this fashion, they will have to prove an absence of malice in their actions with regard to this.<BR/><BR/>If you are a blog-owner and you do not go around malicously spreading lies about somebody with the purpose of destroying them and their reputation or livelihood -- then you are most probably safe.<BR/><BR/>If you inadvertantly allow a malicious comment to appear on your blog, (as in non-moderated comments) and do nothing to mitigate potential damage caused by a libelous statement... then you have a problem.<BR/><BR/>You will note that Warman gave all of these bloggers from February to recant, erase their comments about him and apologize.<BR/><BR/>None of them were willing to do so EXCEPT the National Post and Jon Kay.<BR/><BR/>In fact, these people have spent months pounding the crap out of this Warman character. <BR/><BR/>In Canada - truth is not an ultimate defence in libel cases. You also have to be involved in a genuine discussion for the purposes of commenting on a topic of general public interest, and you can not flavour that commentary with malicousness.Somena Womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05010535817469581311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-78178784528492723062008-04-10T20:29:00.000-04:002008-04-10T20:29:00.000-04:00I think the whole point with haloscan is you can a...<I>I think the whole point with haloscan is you can always see the poster's ID.</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, that would be helpful.<BR/><BR/><I>And really, Ezra had to approve that comment.</I><BR/><BR/>He did? Personally, I've toggled between just allowing comments and using moderation, but I think I'll keep the latter on all the time now.<BR/><BR/>Might look into Haloscan too. Thanks.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-52539497434812051952008-04-10T19:58:00.000-04:002008-04-10T19:58:00.000-04:00Joanne, I think the whole point with haloscan is y...Joanne, I think the whole point with haloscan is you can always see the poster's ID.<BR/><BR/>And really, Ezra had to approve that comment. Approving a death threat? How stupid is that? How Christian is it?bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-79857395382988794002008-04-10T19:38:00.000-04:002008-04-10T19:38:00.000-04:00Just a small warning. Apparently you can't even ha...Just a small warning. Apparently you can't even have a comment appear on your blog for a millisecond and then delete it <A HREF="http://warrenkinsella.com/index.php?entry=entry080410-110809" REL="nofollow">without being attacked</A>.<BR/><BR/>Comment moderation forever, I guess.<BR/><BR/>Sad.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-32377795300148499972008-04-10T18:08:00.000-04:002008-04-10T18:08:00.000-04:00Its also why I will probably be switching to halos...<I>Its also why I will probably be switching to haloscan in the near future.</I><BR/><BR/>Does it block IP addresses?Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-56733750856346353152008-04-10T16:38:00.000-04:002008-04-10T16:38:00.000-04:00Ti-guy, are you suggesting she performs late-term ...Ti-guy, are you suggesting she performs late-term abortions on people's posts?<BR/><BR/>Shame!Reality Biteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10350104223630062677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-33119154706192234222008-04-10T15:41:00.000-04:002008-04-10T15:41:00.000-04:00I think this should be of concern to everyone.What...<I>I think this should be of concern to everyone.</I><BR/><BR/>What are you worried about, Joanne? You delete everything.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-37141046065514211282008-04-10T15:38:00.000-04:002008-04-10T15:38:00.000-04:00Joanne, It should be of concern but not because of...Joanne, <BR/><BR/><BR/>It should be of concern but not because of anything new that Warman is doing.<BR/><BR/>If you operate a blog and someone leaves a defamatory comment you MAY well be liable. That's why I've been moderating comments lately. It APPEARS as if someone is trying to plant defamatory comments about some of the people involved in this case. Its also why I will probably be switching to haloscan in the near future.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-9045190118776140552008-04-10T14:52:00.000-04:002008-04-10T14:52:00.000-04:00If you read the pdf that Lance refers to, there is...If you read the pdf that Lance refers to, there is one disturbing paragraph that seems to claim that a blogger is responsible for the comments on the blog, and whether or not they are deemed to be offensive.<BR/><BR/>I think this should be of concern to everyone.Joanne (True Blue)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17445664997050698154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-67700592567784524942008-04-10T11:52:00.000-04:002008-04-10T11:52:00.000-04:00If you want the reasons, I posted them at Saskboy'...<I>If you want the reasons, I posted them at Saskboy's place.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, I went over there and would have joined the discussion, but a I noticed a few voles who I just would rather avoid being exposed to.<BR/><BR/>Although I have no evidence that would lead me to not believe you, Lance, I quite frankly don't. There's always been a <I>smarmy</I> quality to your communication that I just naturally distrust. It's the <I>Cheers, Lance</I> thing.<BR/><BR/>Caution is of course, a good principle, but to my mind, if that had been a real concern, I would ask at this point to have my posts removed from SDA, or simply be prepared to defend what you have said there. From what you've personally expressed, I haven't seen anything I'd be worried about, although I stopped paying attention to anyone associated with Kate McMillan a long time ago.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-26515136148565846692008-04-10T11:42:00.000-04:002008-04-10T11:42:00.000-04:00So you pulled the page down rather than just, like...So you pulled the page down rather than just, like, deleting the links?bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-56713425573129422762008-04-10T11:35:00.000-04:002008-04-10T11:35:00.000-04:00Just being cautious Ti-Guy.If you want the reasons...Just being cautious Ti-Guy.<BR/><BR/>If you want the reasons, I posted them at Saskboy's place.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/>lancelancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14481248175442820597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-85102400656545223732008-04-10T11:32:00.000-04:002008-04-10T11:32:00.000-04:00This is the same Lance (the one I uncharitably cal...This is the same Lance (the one I uncharitably call CheersLance) of <A HREF="http://www.catprint.ca/blog/" REL="nofollow">CatPrint in the Mash</A> who has posting privileges at SDA and who has guest-blogged there before.<BR/><BR/>I've yet to determine whether these hysterics simply enable each other's hysteria, whether they coordinate their actions for specific campaigns, or whether one alpha non-hysteric exploits the hysterics beneath him or her for propaganda purposes.<BR/><BR/>Of course this could be just an issue of being cautious. I wonder if anyone has any elaborate models based on IP address analysis that might shed further light?Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.com