tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post3826275012549771102..comments2024-03-28T00:54:34.206-04:00Comments on BigCityLib Strikes Back: Steyn Supporters Hack "Law is Cool"?bigcitylibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-72964206953110279422008-01-15T18:02:00.000-05:002008-01-15T18:02:00.000-05:00No that's ti-guy alright. Whenever someone holds a...No that's ti-guy alright. Whenever someone holds a mirror up to him he denies it's him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-74148813103250272002008-01-15T17:02:00.000-05:002008-01-15T17:02:00.000-05:00hey who's impersonating Ti-Guy?That cant be him, u...hey who's impersonating Ti-Guy?<BR/><BR/>That cant be him, using facts and logic to support his position.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-78937345202145151112008-01-15T11:20:00.000-05:002008-01-15T11:20:00.000-05:00Actually no. There is no direct relationship betwe...<I>Actually no. There is no direct relationship between capitalism and fascism.</I><BR/><BR/>I love that..crazy ol' Mike Brock and his <I>definitive</I> assertions about everything.<BR/><BR/>There is definitely a relationship between capitalism and fascism if you know anything about the history of <I>IG Farben</I> and <I>Thyssen</I>. for example. But I suspect you're arguing that capitalism as an ideal, as a symbolic concept independent of the real world, has no necessary relationship to fascism. This type of thing is why I rarely find arguing with little Conserva-boys enlightening. Everything is discussed as if issues have no relationship to the real world (past or present), and I suspect, among people with little experience of it, this type of solipsism is rather impenetrable.<BR/><BR/>Don't mistake me for some rabid lefty; I'm actually pretty far to the right of most lefties and I'm not an anti-capitalist by any stretch of the imagination. But I think any ideology or paradigm has to face honestly and full-on the exact nature of how it plays out in the real world if it's going to withstand its critics.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-27851955910183861322008-01-15T00:26:00.000-05:002008-01-15T00:26:00.000-05:00Guys, if you've reached adulthood and you are stil...Guys, if you've reached adulthood and you are still debating various meanings of words, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.<BR/><BR/>Words like conservative and liberal are not hats you put on, they are badges you earn. TiGuy for example is a socialist because there's never been a social program or "cause" he's ever opposed, ever. <BR/><BR/>Whether he thinks he is a liberal or whatever is irrelevant; Stephane Dion's $25 billion taxspending platform, for which he will need to hike taxes, and his Pink Book plan to intefere in marriage contracts to make them even less palatable to men, are the exact opposite of liberal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-60201483269285301092008-01-15T00:22:00.000-05:002008-01-15T00:22:00.000-05:00There's the whole corporatist/capitalist side to f...<I>There's the whole corporatist/capitalist side to fascism</I><BR/><BR/>Actually no. There is no direct relationship between capitalism and fascism. <BR/><BR/>Certainly fascism is related to corporatism. Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and arguably modern day Russia are corporatist economies.<BR/><BR/>An economy filled with <I>private corporations</I> is not <I>corporatist</I>. So many left wingers make this mistake. It's quite funny.Mike Brockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00470275406733737128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-59689825052433302008-01-15T00:10:00.000-05:002008-01-15T00:10:00.000-05:00And any attempt to associate fascism with liberali...<I>And any attempt to associate fascism with liberalism is simply absurd. Jonah Goldberg could only do it by arbitrarily defining whatever he wanted as "liberal."</I><BR/><BR/>I agree. But what makes you think you are an adherent to liberalism?<BR/><BR/>I quote Wikipedia: <I>Liberalism refers to a broad array of related ideas and theories of government that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal.[1] Liberalism has its roots in the Western Age of Enlightenment.<BR/><BR/>...<BR/><BR/>Classical liberals, believe that the provision of negative rights, that is freedom from coercion alone, constitutes freedom.[4] As a result they see state intervention in the economy as unneeded, emphasize laissez-faire economic policy, and oppose the welfare state.</I><BR/><BR/>But wait, you're a social liberal ...<BR/><BR/><I>Social liberals argue that freedom from economic as well as physical coercion is necessary for real freedom. They generally favor such positive rights as the right to vote, the right to an education, the right to health care, and the right to a living wage. Some also favor laws against discrimination in housing and employment, laws against pollution of the environment, and the provision of welfare, including unemployment benefit and housing for the homeless, all supported by progressive taxation.</I><BR/><BR/>Yep, that's you. Stop trying to appropriate the word liberalism as your own. <BR/><BR/>What the hell is the difference between <I>social democrats</I> and <I>social liberals</I>?Mike Brockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00470275406733737128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-27203569660862701932008-01-15T00:04:00.000-05:002008-01-15T00:04:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Mike Brockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00470275406733737128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-71306106240144570902008-01-15T00:02:00.000-05:002008-01-15T00:02:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Mike Brockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00470275406733737128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-24959223663978360772008-01-14T21:31:00.000-05:002008-01-14T21:31:00.000-05:00There's the whole corporatist/capitalist side to f...There's the whole corporatist/capitalist side to fascism that has been grossly under-examined in this embarrassing and intellectually bankrupt campaign on the Right to recast fascism as an essentially leftist phenomenon.<BR/><BR/>And any attempt to associate fascism with liberalism is simply absurd. Jonah Goldberg could only do it by arbitrarily defining whatever he wanted as "liberal."<BR/><BR/><I>However, you do have a good point in that the left is also perfectly willing to use authoritarian means to liberal ends.</I><BR/><BR/>Willing? Or compelled to? How else can you protect the weak and the vulnerable from exploitation without the use of some authority?Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-23625658313540762422008-01-14T20:57:00.000-05:002008-01-14T20:57:00.000-05:00Ti-guy, I am perfectly aware of the distinction be...Ti-guy, I am perfectly aware of the distinction between the ideology of fascism and the methodology of authoritarianism. Here's Mussolini on fascism:<BR/><BR/>"Anti-individualistic, the fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only insofar as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal will of man as a historic entity.... The fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value...."<BR/><BR/>However, you do have a good point in that the left is also perfectly willing to use authoritarian means to liberal ends.Jay Curriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07100960091229282311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-1982367867006470692008-01-14T20:27:00.000-05:002008-01-14T20:27:00.000-05:00Again, you're confusing authoritarianism (either a...Again, you're confusing <I>authoritarianism</I> (either actual and arguably necessary, or imagined) with <I>fascism.</I><BR/><BR/>If anyone wants to start examining intellectual laziness (or dishonesty), one place to start would be to highlight a cavalier attitude toward the meaning of words and an indifference to (or ignorance of) documented history.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-67814286296100402452008-01-14T20:16:00.000-05:002008-01-14T20:16:00.000-05:00"...Meanwhile, some little righty is growing up th..."...Meanwhile, some little righty is growing up thinking fascism is related to liberalism."<BR/><BR/>Let's see...<BR/><BR/>use organs of the state to suppress speech you disagree with...check<BR/><BR/>support group rather than individual rights...check<BR/><BR/>deny common law safeguards to dissenters...check<BR/><BR/>I can't imagine how a little righty could possibly think liberalism is related to fascism. Nope, being intelligent, our little righty will realize that the left are willing to use fascist means to liberal ends. Distinctions are, after all, important.Jay Curriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07100960091229282311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-68795339770577253392008-01-14T19:54:00.000-05:002008-01-14T19:54:00.000-05:00But if left-wingers want to throw people like Shai...<I>But if left-wingers want to throw people like Shaidle or Michael Coren in jail (or fine them) for speaking out against it, who's side do you think I'll be on? I'll let you wager a guess.</I><BR/><BR/>Does speaking out against same-sex marriage require accusing gays and lesbians of being degenerate, depraved, pedophilic, hostile to the family, evil and <I>disordered?</I><BR/><BR/>Does it require calling arabs "violent retards?"Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-32067246014079419552008-01-14T19:50:00.000-05:002008-01-14T19:50:00.000-05:00Christians have often been the target of HRCs and ...<I>Christians have often been the target of HRCs and have been reluctant to launch complaints; this is statistical fact.</I><BR/><BR/>Source?<BR/><BR/>You're just lying. What some "Christians" want to be free to do is to promote hatred with elimininationist rhetoric. And they have considerable legal protection do do so, sadly enough.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-90779353631336044122008-01-14T19:46:00.000-05:002008-01-14T19:46:00.000-05:00You know, it honestly isn't my intention to impres...<I>You know, it honestly isn't my intention to impress you. It is my intention to attack the intellectual laziness espoused by people like you.</I><BR/><BR/>Oh, thank God. Save me from myself! Otherwise, I might call Jay Currie a neocon...<I>or worse</I>...thus succumbing to intellectual sloth. <BR/><BR/>...Meanwhile, some little righty is growing up thinking fascism is related to liberalism.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-67147072306196161092008-01-14T19:44:00.000-05:002008-01-14T19:44:00.000-05:00In the blogsphere, social conservatives such as Ka...<I>In the blogsphere, social conservatives such as Kathy Shaidle and Joel Johannson were among the only consistent critics of HRCs before the Ezra and Steyn sideshows began.</I><BR/><BR/>I do not suffer any illusion of this. I am not out to <I>get</I> social conservatives, nor am I out to <I>get</I> left-wingers. To that end, I don't think Kathy Shaidle would have anything bad to say about me (she's met me in person multiple times). She invited me to one of her <I>Right-Wing Movie Nights</I> two years ago. <BR/> <BR/>I share many ideological kinships with social conservatives, where they support liberty, free markets, and mutual respect.<BR/><BR/>That does not mean that because I don't share views on "family values", religious morality, etc. that I am <I>against</I> anybodies right to have them.<BR/><BR/>I was generally supportive of same-sex marriage, or same-sex unions at the least. But if left-wingers want to throw people like Shaidle or Michael Coren in jail (or fine them) for speaking out against it, who's side do you think I'll be on? I'll let you wager a guess.Mike Brockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00470275406733737128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-30382248462290515732008-01-14T19:18:00.000-05:002008-01-14T19:18:00.000-05:00"I take social conservatives to task, too. "Wrongl..."I take social conservatives to task, too. "<BR/><BR/>Wrongly, it should be noted. Plenty of "social conservatives" - that's really a code word for old white people who go to church, right? - have felt the wrath of HRCs. Christians have often been the target of HRCs and have been reluctant to launch complaints; this is statistical fact.<BR/><BR/>I've yet to see a "liberal" have his beliefs similarly attacked by these commissions, though if one has, the discrepancy still remains. <BR/><BR/>Unsurprisingly, it is Christian organizations who have been on the vanguard of defending free speech and actively opposing HRCs, because they are most often the victims, notwithstanding your suggestion they are in fact the oppressors. <BR/><BR/>In the blogsphere, social conservatives such as Kathy Shaidle and Joel Johannson were among the only consistent critics of HRCs before the Ezra and Steyn sideshows began. <BR/><BR/>A more accurate read is that "liberals" are soft on HRCs and other politically incorrect topics and have been for years. They are complicit by their years of silence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-2178810360441531062008-01-14T18:58:00.000-05:002008-01-14T18:58:00.000-05:00Instead of picking apart my obviously unserious co...<I>Instead of picking apart my obviously unserious commentary to show off your command of the Latin vocabulary of logic and argument, why don't you put your legendary humourlessness to good use and address this howler</I><BR/><BR/>You know, it honestly isn't my intention to impress you. It is my intention to attack the intellectual laziness espoused by people like you.<BR/><BR/>And I assure you, that my criticisms are not one-sided.<BR/><BR/>I take <A HREF="http://beingrightisnotwrong.com/2008/01/12/in-defence-of-free-thought/" REL="nofollow">social conservatives</A> to task, too. <BR/><BR/>People who know me from "conservative" circles will tell you that I can be just as persistent in my attacks at flawed-logic from the right.<BR/><BR/>As a matter of fact, I spent an hour arguing with a man who's uncritical love for George W. Bush drove me bonkers, in a Starbucks in Downtown Toronto. In fact, the debate eventually included four people, the other two from the left-side of the spectrum, and naturally I found myself arguing against both sides.<BR/><BR/>There is no honest discourse.Mike Brockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00470275406733737128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-20039430490807481912008-01-14T17:53:00.000-05:002008-01-14T17:53:00.000-05:00If Mike Brock were a spam filter:"This email, orig...If Mike Brock were a spam filter:<BR/><I><BR/>"This email, originating in Russia, a country which produces 68% of spam and with which I have no contacts, offering viagra and stock tips, which is to say words commonly associated with spam, may be spam.<BR/><BR/>It may also be a perfectly legitimate email from a friend visiting Moscow who has found a great deal on viagra and wishes to share it with me.<BR/><BR/>Both possibilities are exactly equal, 50-50. Who is to say in this 500 channel universe which is which? I think we should all get along. Allow."</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-398378726690756692008-01-14T17:49:00.000-05:002008-01-14T17:49:00.000-05:00Instead of picking apart my obviously unserious co...Instead of picking apart my obviously unserious commentary to show off your command of the Latin vocabulary of logic and argument, why don't you put your legendary humourlessness to good use and address this howler:<BR/><BR/><I>I know you only use the term as a slur for right wingers, but you should know, if you're gonna use it, that fascism actually refers to the left.</I><BR/><BR/>If we don't nip this in the bud, we're going to have to add a special <I>Jonah Goldberg de-programming</I> section to the curriculum for the re-education camps, and there's no way I'm going to be reading <I>Liberal Fascism : From Genghis Khan to Madeleine Kahn.</I>Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-35211983163325279322008-01-14T16:59:00.000-05:002008-01-14T16:59:00.000-05:00Frankly, after reading that defamatory screed Stey...<I>Frankly, after reading that defamatory screed Steyn posted, it never ceases to amaze me how you, Jay Currie, never miss an opportunity to miss the point.<BR/><BR/>In any case, it's startling to see neocons becoming interested in evidence all of a sudden.</I><BR/><BR/>Jay Currie... a "neocon", right. You're going to wear that word out by the way.<BR/><BR/>It seems to me that <I>Law is Cool</I> has <I>absolutely no evidence whatsoever</I> as to who is behind the alleged vandalism. Therefore, I think it is a stretch to come out and blame <I>Steyn supporters</I> for the alleged hacking.<BR/><BR/>The fact that pro-Steyn blogs were attacked, does not automatically imply this is a politically-driven quid pro quo. It may very well be, but we have no evidence to support the assertion.<BR/><BR/>Post hoc ergo propter hoc. You're only guessing.Mike Brockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00470275406733737128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-78225789866110965062008-01-14T16:54:00.000-05:002008-01-14T16:54:00.000-05:00Thanks, Jonah.not from Jonah Goldberg, but from wi...<I>Thanks, Jonah.</I><BR/><BR/>not from Jonah Goldberg, but from wikipedia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-88159326195384027042008-01-14T16:45:00.000-05:002008-01-14T16:45:00.000-05:00It is those who subordinate individual rights for ...<I>It is those who subordinate individual rights for collective rights. That is basically the definition of fascism.</I><BR/><BR/>Thanks, Jonah.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-36085351719814191392008-01-14T16:43:00.000-05:002008-01-14T16:43:00.000-05:00he has nice teeth for an Englishman.He would have ...<I>he has nice teeth for an Englishman.</I><BR/><BR/>He would have to. Good oral hygiene is a requirement of courtiers and sycophants these days.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-87299812383385091392008-01-14T16:20:00.000-05:002008-01-14T16:20:00.000-05:00One thing they mention concerns the changes to the...<I>One thing they mention concerns the changes to the "comments" settings. What I think they are saying is that some "comments closed" posts were opened to comments by the hackers, and the comments that then came through were from Steyn supporters. But I am not 100% clear on this.</I><BR/><BR/>Thank you - that is circumstantial still, but its at least something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com