tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post3968086988537563595..comments2024-03-28T00:54:34.206-04:00Comments on BigCityLib Strikes Back: Should Dawg Sue Adrian?bigcitylibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-59154133844394782582009-10-31T21:15:15.277-04:002009-10-31T21:15:15.277-04:00Well by your definition, Jimmy Carter certainly is...Well by your definition, Jimmy Carter certainly is not a neocon. I always believed a neocon was someone who made thier political decisions based on thier religion, which Jimmy Carter did. After my journey on wikipedia I see it's not so simple. I'll retract mt statement on Carter being a neocon.austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16837199356153099022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-59476556970606015592009-10-31T18:34:26.228-04:002009-10-31T18:34:26.228-04:00As you can see it's very complicated.
First, ...As you can see it's very complicated.<br /><br />First, there has to be a history of liberalism or leftism that the person has turned away from because he/she had come to believe it was doing more harm than good. But there's also the element of <i>deception</i> involved. Neoconservatives believe that democracy can't work if people know the real truth (which they believe is only available to highly educated people like themselves) and therefore has to ordered and controlled through myths, like religion, the threat of an enemy bent on its destruction or the myth of democracy itself.<br /><br />To my mind, deception is the most telling characteristic of the neoconservative.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-47855556877854778512009-10-31T11:36:47.540-04:002009-10-31T11:36:47.540-04:00Well whats your definition of a neocon?Well whats your definition of a neocon?austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16837199356153099022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-73816294731357779202009-10-31T10:48:52.486-04:002009-10-31T10:48:52.486-04:00I feel confident enough that Jimmy Carter is a neo...<i>I feel confident enough that Jimmy Carter is a neocon.</i><br /><br />Well, I wouldn't recommend that you go around telling other people you firmly believe Jimmy Carter is a neocon if you want to be taken seriously.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-3813340246179635252009-10-31T10:12:04.550-04:002009-10-31T10:12:04.550-04:00@KC: I'm all too well aware of the breath of l...@KC: I'm all too well aware of the breath of libel law in Canada.<br /><br />There is such thing as 'false opinion' in Canada, and claims over innuendo gets messy.<br /><br />The Mair case was raised in this thread. The lawyer who won that case was my lawyer in my BC libel case.<br /><br />I got sued over, among other things, having a hyperlink that went to a site, that had a hyperlink to a site which had some alleged libel on it. The BCCA has since largely put an end to such plaintiff shenanigans.<br /><br />One of the requirements of fair comment, is that you have to actually believe in what you wrote. Where it got weird in the Mair case was that the BCCA claimed that Mair had to believe in what they said he meant, even though he explicitly stated in the broadcast he didn't mean that.<br /><br />In Canada's libel law, two people can theoretically co-author a work, get sued for libel, and one be found guilty and the other not, if it is found that one author had malice and the other didn't. <br /><br />Why libel law remains obsessed over a author's state of mind is beyond me. No one reading the material knows.<br /><br />We are due more rulings regarding Fair Comment defenses from the SCC. We hope the definition of Fair Comment gets stretched more.<br /><br />Most defamation is not libel, however that doesn't stop plaintiffs from claiming so.Mark Richard Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16331995640397477486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-80822305576407512412009-10-30T22:29:39.835-04:002009-10-30T22:29:39.835-04:00After spending 20 minutes on wikipedia trying to f...After spending 20 minutes on wikipedia trying to figure out what exactly a neocon is(most dictionaries said a neocon is a conservative who believed in neoconservatism)I feel confident enough that Jimmy Carter is a neocon. There is a lot there and a lot of it contradicts each other but if you go back to the original meanings, you can throw Jimmy in there.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatismaustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16837199356153099022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-22707154934117030832009-10-30T22:08:33.691-04:002009-10-30T22:08:33.691-04:00Ti-Guy,
Hahaha.
Now let me tell you why the love...Ti-Guy,<br /><br />Hahaha.<br /><br />Now let me tell you why the love of money is NOT the root of all evil.<br /><br />[Ninety minutes later.]<br /><br />... and that's why A is A, why it is rational to smoke, and why it is moral to allow all the poor people (i.e. moochers and looters) to starve.<br /><br />Gee, I guess I was flattered by that ;-)Terrence C. Watsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07332306056519991646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-83186783821095600312009-10-30T19:28:28.734-04:002009-10-30T19:28:28.734-04:00Hey, I was just trying be honest and not tar every...Hey, I was just trying be honest and not tar everyone with same brush.<br /><br />Unfortinately the BT'ers have lost almost all of their honester bloggers, Andrew (Bound by Gravity) and James (the Progressive Right,... on the Progressive Bloggers side) to name a few. Nowadays, the BT'ers collect people like The DodoZorpheoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09618889126077232837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-39507157692485015282009-10-30T19:04:57.743-04:002009-10-30T19:04:57.743-04:00Put that "u" in "unsavoury," t...Put that "u" in "unsavoury," traitor!<br /><br />Hey, I thought you'd be flattered by the qualification. Gives you a certain, louche but rakish, daring-do quality not seen in a libertarian since Francisco d'Anconia.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-21450035747888552012009-10-30T17:20:00.588-04:002009-10-30T17:20:00.588-04:00Jimmy Carter is *not* a neocon. A lot of former C...Jimmy Carter is *not* a neocon. A lot of former Clintonites are though.<br /><br />Anyway, I like to keep American and Canadian politics separate, especially when it comes to things like "left and right" (which don't mean much at the best of times). In Canada, for most people, "Left" means public health care, public education, social safety net and things like public utilities. In the US, "Left" means, hippies, patchouli, hairy armpits, birkenstocks, LSD, "teach ins," etc. etc...Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-35426089048951420882009-10-30T17:00:29.175-04:002009-10-30T17:00:29.175-04:00There certainly is idiots on all sides of the poli...There certainly is idiots on all sides of the political spectrum. Like people on the left like to call anyone on the right a neo-con which I do not understand. Neo-cons used to be mostly democrats, Jimmy Carter is a neo-con, but since Bush jr anyone on the right gets thrown in with that tool.<br /><br />But Ti-Guy is right, the right wingers have mastered the defamatory remarks. You have to look no further then Limbaugh to see that. The left or center has no one who matches this dolt even Micheal Moore would have to step his game up to match him.austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16837199356153099022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-20605884628195635752009-10-30T16:35:00.975-04:002009-10-30T16:35:00.975-04:00I'm not a big fan of the "they're all...I'm not a big fan of the "they're all the same" argument. It's an affliction these days.<br /><br />When it comes to defamation and vilification, the Right wins, hands down. In fact, it's the only thing they're really good at. And they are good at. The use they make of communicative strategies and tools to vilify and defame is impressive and the time and energy they spend learning and perfecting the craft...almost humbling.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-9296791952940637102009-10-30T16:12:39.849-04:002009-10-30T16:12:39.849-04:00Ti-Guy,...
I have seen some really stupid comment...Ti-Guy,...<br /><br />I have seen some really stupid comments/blog posts made on leftwing and progressive sites. I don't think this kind of stupid is limited to a specific political quadrant. Just my opinion and observationsZorpheoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09618889126077232837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-45980587610912605022009-10-30T16:01:08.524-04:002009-10-30T16:01:08.524-04:00Seems like we need to employ lawyers to proof a bl...<i>Seems like we need to employ lawyers to proof a blog post nowadays</i><br /><br />We? Only right wing bloggers need that. Normal people avoid defamation or know when to remove libellous commentary.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-81359427207847349392009-10-30T15:57:58.617-04:002009-10-30T15:57:58.617-04:00austin
hehe. Must have had the IQ comment filter...austin<br /><br />hehe. Must have had the IQ comment filter on. I set it to 60, low as it can go. Keep tryin :)<br /><br />Sorry bcl.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-14251749427849480712009-10-30T15:38:16.089-04:002009-10-30T15:38:16.089-04:00Oh man, this is just going to get messier, ain'...Oh man, this is just going to get messier, ain't it?<br /><br />Blogging really is losing its appeal when shit like this happens,... not saying the Dawg is wrong to pursue this,... sigh Seems like we need to employ lawyers to proof a blog post nowadays,... groanZorpheoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09618889126077232837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-20252383006319040772009-10-30T15:24:57.118-04:002009-10-30T15:24:57.118-04:00I'm going to sue Ti-Guy for calling me "a...<i>I'm going to sue Ti-Guy for calling me "a mildly annoying sprite" a while back.</i><br /><br />Defamation. Please submit an address for service.<br /><br />It was "slightly unsavoury sprite," Terrence.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-9951859189851134932009-10-30T15:09:55.874-04:002009-10-30T15:09:55.874-04:00Oh yeah!
And Adrian's apology only sounds rig...Oh yeah!<br /><br />And Adrian's apology only sounds right when you read it aloud in a whiny, petulant voice.<br /><br />"A comment appeared on my blog..." PLEASE! Who put it there? The Wordpress fairy? Gremlins? An annoying sprite!?<br /><br />I think it's even less sincere than the "mistakes were made" canard.Terrence C. Watsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07332306056519991646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-30846576603658482282009-10-30T15:06:07.841-04:002009-10-30T15:06:07.841-04:00I'm going to sue Ti-Guy for calling me "a...I'm going to sue Ti-Guy for calling me "a mildly annoying sprite" a while back.<br /><br />That really hurt my reputation in the mythical creature community.Terrence C. Watsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07332306056519991646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-10097317579045995652009-10-30T14:54:55.858-04:002009-10-30T14:54:55.858-04:00Ti-Guy:
yes it is. here's the actual decisio...Ti-Guy:<br /><br />yes it is. here's the actual <a href="http://csc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2008/2008scc40/2008scc40.pdf" rel="nofollow">decision</a>.<br /><br />I had a couple of things wrong in my previous post - Mair didnt call her a Nazi, but compared her to Hitler (distinction without a difference) and it wasnt because she was pro-life but because she opposed books portraying same-sex couples in schools.<br /><br />I think its a good decision too.Jerome Bastienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05948692098854718499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-11830665214817191902009-10-30T14:49:49.906-04:002009-10-30T14:49:49.906-04:00KC: I believe you're right. Libel laws appear...KC: I believe you're right. Libel laws appear to be a very complex maze of defenses and exceptions and stuff.<br /><br />I like the Penn & Teller approach myself. In their first episode of Bullshit, they say they cant call people frauds or liars because of libel laws. But they can call them assholes. And they (well Penn actually) take full advantage of that.<br /><br />"And then there's this asshole..."Jerome Bastienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05948692098854718499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-46621553152563747682009-10-30T14:47:02.368-04:002009-10-30T14:47:02.368-04:00Jerome,
That's this case, with Rafe Mair and ...Jerome,<br /><br />That's <a href="http://www.canada.com/theprovince/story.html?id=e485b1ab-d0a9-4434-82a1-1d4b78813925" rel="nofollow">this case</a>, with Rafe Mair and Kari Simpson, right?<br /><br />That's why we need courts and tribunals, not just laws. In this case, good jurisprudence determined that the defamation was fair comment, given Kari Simpson's Hiltleresque behaviour.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-22667448162763593152009-10-30T14:39:56.577-04:002009-10-30T14:39:56.577-04:00Jerome - The trick is making your way through the ...Jerome - The trick is making your way through the doorway of one of the defences (i.e. fair comment, etc.). One of the biggest obstacles as I understand it is when your statement may have been fair comment except that you intended to be malicious.KChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16932623568330893522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-17002621543207800002009-10-30T14:19:26.117-04:002009-10-30T14:19:26.117-04:00Lots of statements that would appear to be opinion...<i>Lots of statements that would appear to be opinion (i.e. "X is a fascist") are legally defamatory.</i><br /><br />I dont know that this is the case. For example, in a recent SCC decision a vancouver radio host was sued for calling this pro-life woman a nazi, and that was deemed to be fair comment.<br /><br />I am no expert in the field, but I think if the defendant had said "she is a member of the nazi party", the case may have turned out differently.<br /><br />I do think however, that Godwin's law applies.Jerome Bastienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05948692098854718499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-24285579843372698142009-10-30T13:06:10.935-04:002009-10-30T13:06:10.935-04:00The law of defamation is far broader than I initia...<i>The law of defamation is far broader than I initially understood it to be. Lots of statements that would appear to be opinion (i.e. "X is a fascist") are legally defamatory.</i><br /><br />This is true. Which is why people should be careful about who they're talking about (is the person identifiable, does the person put a lot of stock in his/her credibility, does the person have a reputation, is what is being said remotely plausible, is the person generally litigious, etc. etc.)<br /><br />Also, it doesn't help when people <i>persist</i> in it, over a great length of time. After Kate McMillan got sued, I decided it was a good idea to stop calling the racist proto-fascist harridan nasty names as much. Although it's ruined by Internet experience, I'll tell ya.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.com