tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post4009779777589381424..comments2024-03-28T00:54:34.206-04:00Comments on BigCityLib Strikes Back: Ezra Levant: That Was Then, This Is Nowbigcitylibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-31443696574604379302008-02-02T10:58:00.000-05:002008-02-02T10:58:00.000-05:00Methinks Ezra would squash you in a debate. Its i...Methinks Ezra would squash you in a debate. Its interesting to note that his point about freedom of speech is being attacked by the left. High and mighty censors like yourself deserve to be heard but definitely not supported.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-55340971383433700902008-01-31T18:29:00.000-05:002008-01-31T18:29:00.000-05:00Ah. You're confusing limits on freedom of expressi...<I>Ah. You're confusing limits on freedom of expression with censorship...which goes on a lot in Canada and the United States (where it is in fact very pernicious, since it's facilitated by very complex legalism), and which I firmly oppose.</I>Well then, by all means. Explain the difference. In simple terms, so everybody can understand.<BR/><BR/><I>I've heard all your other arguments before. I've been hearing them for decades and they have failed to persuade me.</I>Perhaps, but modern science has also failed to persuade some people that the earth is round and humans share a common ancestor with other primates. <BR/><BR/>(Several of them are probably responsible for all this trolling.)<BR/><BR/>The question is whether <B>you</B>, unlike <B>those people</B>, can actually <B>defend</B> your own position...or whether this failure of persuasion is akin to placing one's fingers firmly in one's ears and singing as loud as you can.Demostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14552994996411944134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-21688151074139147822008-01-30T22:33:00.000-05:002008-01-30T22:33:00.000-05:00"...possessors of lower-tier minds who spout plati...<I>"...possessors of lower-tier minds who spout platitudes about freedom of expression without understanding the first thing with regard to how expression is controlled, censored or encouraged to wallow in a cesspit of irrelevance"</I><BR/><BR/>Well met, Herr Goebbels.<BR/><BR/>mhb23reAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-29582244539125775742008-01-30T14:27:00.000-05:002008-01-30T14:27:00.000-05:00and that censorship simply forces poisonous rhetor...<I>and that censorship simply forces poisonous rhetoric underground</I><BR/><BR/>Ah. You're confusing limits on freedom of expression with censorship...which goes on a lot in Canada <I>and</I> the United States (where it is in fact very pernicious, since it's facilitated by very complex legalism), and which I firmly oppose.<BR/><BR/>I've heard all your other arguments before. I've been hearing them for decades and they have failed to persuade me.<BR/><BR/>A real bonus in this whole affair is that we're finding out just to what degree of libel/slander and bold-faced lying the various free speech warriors will go, and how generally hate-filled they are. I think that's very useful information for the Canadian polity.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-39866834754628323862008-01-30T11:42:00.000-05:002008-01-30T11:42:00.000-05:00(I believe my last post disappeared, so I'll summa...(I believe my last post disappeared, so I'll summarize)<BR/><BR/>I wasn't aware that John Stuart Mill, Voltaire, Oliver Wendell Holmes, the EFF, and the ACLU were genocidal Nazis, Ti-Guy. <BR/><BR/>Got a source on that?Demostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14552994996411944134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-24994202463364731502008-01-30T11:37:00.000-05:002008-01-30T11:37:00.000-05:00Ah. So, apparently, the only reason to support fre...Ah. So, apparently, the only reason to support freedom of speech is one's lust for genocide, is it? <BR/><BR/>Nevermind Voltaire's defense on principled grounds, or Mill's point that you need to allow outrageously wrong thought in order to remind people <I>why</I> it's wrong through its refutation... <BR/><BR/>...no, it's all about desperately wanting to be Hitler, hmm?<BR/><BR/>I'm not normally one to call "Godwin", but Sweet Zombie Jesus is it warranted here. <BR/><BR/>(Even if it weren't an <I>ad hominem</I>. Which it is.)<BR/><BR/>In any case, the problem is not the perspective, but a statement of fact that has no justification whatsoever. You can support freedom of speech without being a censor in disguise, or being some tiresome teenager who read too much Ayn Rand and now thinks he doesn't need to pay his taxes. <BR/><BR/>You just have to know that your argument is <B>better</B> than theirs, and that censorship simply forces poisonous rhetoric underground, where it will fester in the minds of zealots long after you've forgotten it. And if it <I>isn't</I> better, you've got bigger problems than a toad like Ezra Levant.Demostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14552994996411944134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-5927095281780733552008-01-30T06:08:00.000-05:002008-01-30T06:08:00.000-05:00Ezra's post is full of crap. He does in fact call...Ezra's post is full of crap. He does in fact call for the laying of charges in that column, AND several of the Nazis he has defended (Terry Tremaine for one) DO seem to have called for violence against Jews.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-23636489453150811262008-01-30T05:45:00.000-05:002008-01-30T05:45:00.000-05:00I'm becoming a little bit more of a supporter of "...<I>I'm becoming a little bit more of a supporter of "fwee speech" with each reactionary, censorious, knee-jerk comment I read.</I><BR/><BR/>Will it get so bad that you'll have to start publishing genocidal screeds, because some censorious liberal fascist (such as myself) thinks free speech absolutism is a solution in search of a problem?<BR/><BR/>That is in fact free speech absolutism's <I>raison d'être</I>; without genocidal screeds, we'd never know just how free we are to express ourselves, would we?<BR/><BR/>The Nazis had it right..the <I>Völkischer Beobachter</I> was the manifestation of true freedom. We are much diminished in its absence.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-56052957929488456242008-01-30T02:24:00.000-05:002008-01-30T02:24:00.000-05:00(This isn't to say that Ezra isn't a hypocritical ...(This isn't to say that Ezra isn't a hypocritical ass. He is. He's in fine Tory/Republican form that way. But that doesn't mean the principles aren't worth defending, just that said con is a choad.)Demostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14552994996411944134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-48490054302881203922008-01-30T02:22:00.000-05:002008-01-30T02:22:00.000-05:00Er, BCL, get off it. There is no reason whatsoever...Er, BCL, get off it. There is no reason whatsoever to believe that "free speech absolutism" can't exist. I hate to raise the spectre of Voltaire, but he seems to loom large here, and there are any number of internet wags who are very much free speech absolutists even IF they think you're acting the idiot.<BR/><BR/>In fact, in many venues, they probably outnumber the "secret censors".<BR/><BR/>I realize it sucks how Liberal blogs get swamped by idiot conservatives, and I know links from Warren Kinsella are oh so very tempting, but don't sully an otherwise fine site with this censorious nonsense.<BR/><BR/>As for the "fwee speech wibertarians"... do you have any room there for "fwee speech wiberals"? Because I'll match my wiberal cred against anyone, and I'm becoming a little bit more of a supporter of "fwee speech" with each reactionary, censorious, knee-jerk comment I read. <BR/><BR/>Canadian wiberals, <B>and</B> Wiberals, are better than this.Demostheneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14552994996411944134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-25859790890379115232008-01-30T00:59:00.000-05:002008-01-30T00:59:00.000-05:00Neat trick, BigCityLib.A good chance that less att...Neat trick, BigCityLib.<BR/>A good chance that less attentive readers - and virtual certainty that the willfully blind - would miss this one minor detail:<BR/>Did Ezra Levant call for Younus Kathrada to be dealt with by some of the Human Rights Commissions, or by a regular court?<BR/>There is a difference between prosecution by a court respecting presumption of innocence and considering factual correctness as relevant, and persecution by an HRC where those principles are not adhered to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-30674463867915362372008-01-29T22:35:00.000-05:002008-01-29T22:35:00.000-05:00Ouch. BCL gets OWNED by levant along with the res...Ouch. BCL gets OWNED by levant along with the rest of the liberal twittery.<BR/><BR/>Mental midgets shouldnt wrestle with a real lawyer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-14171649390309035362008-01-29T22:11:00.000-05:002008-01-29T22:11:00.000-05:00Ezra's OPENING STATEMENT before the HRC specifical...Ezra's OPENING STATEMENT before the HRC specifically mentioned advocating/inciting violence as not covered by free speech.<BR/><BR/>The "progressives" will do anything in their power to punish Ezra in his fight for free speech, including drawing false parallels and rediculous moral equivalents.<BR/><BR/>To the fascists he's committed a carnal sin.<BR/><BR/>BCL is doing his best to hold him to account for such sins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-34653961157725216612008-01-29T20:43:00.000-05:002008-01-29T20:43:00.000-05:00That really clears it up.That really clears it up.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07786668830382272309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-62801806067162667742008-01-29T20:39:00.000-05:002008-01-29T20:39:00.000-05:00Sorry...that should have been "I don't despise the...Sorry...that should have been "I don't despise the <I>Mö</I> as much as do most righties."Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-38004939179578240302008-01-29T20:36:00.000-05:002008-01-29T20:36:00.000-05:00"I don't despise like I do most other righties"Tha..."I don't despise like I do most other righties"<BR/><BR/>That sounds like I makes sense? Ok, comrade.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07786668830382272309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-29694895013410200442008-01-29T20:34:00.000-05:002008-01-29T20:34:00.000-05:00Ti-Guy has been a racist ever since he and "F*CK T...Ti-Guy has been a racist ever since he and "F*CK THE JEWS" Mclelland began touching each other in their happy places.<BR/><BR/>Like STD's, the racist views always rub off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-77120297811237333762008-01-29T20:31:00.000-05:002008-01-29T20:31:00.000-05:00Not really. I don't despise like I do most other ...Not really. I don't despise like I do most other righties.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-17860648917934722342008-01-29T20:24:00.000-05:002008-01-29T20:24:00.000-05:00Getting under your skin, aren't I?Getting under your skin, aren't I?Möbiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851148006420274055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-35801032140901585822008-01-29T20:21:00.001-05:002008-01-29T20:21:00.001-05:00Möbius is a hömö.<I>Möbius</I> is a <I>hömö.</I>Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-88182700951901510612008-01-29T20:21:00.000-05:002008-01-29T20:21:00.000-05:00Don't they have "spell-check" here?Don't they have "spell-check" here?Möbiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851148006420274055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-11389417426280846792008-01-29T20:20:00.000-05:002008-01-29T20:20:00.000-05:00Left wing typew are still way off topic. This isn...Left wing typew are still way off topic. This isn't about Ezra or Steyn or even muslims. It's about the state making inursions into our lives.<BR/><BR/>Hey Ti-guy, aren't you always talking about the "brown people?" You're a hypocrite and a racist.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07786668830382272309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-30093189612107217962008-01-29T20:19:00.000-05:002008-01-29T20:19:00.000-05:00BCL blows dead bears!BCL blows dead bears!Möbiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851148006420274055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-1472334905808506212008-01-29T20:16:00.000-05:002008-01-29T20:16:00.000-05:00Comments moderation will be off until tomorrow abo...Comments moderation will be off until tomorrow about 10:00 am. Get yer xxxtra-stupid licks in now.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-71874032297313949872008-01-29T20:14:00.000-05:002008-01-29T20:14:00.000-05:00"Satire for Wingnuts" forced me to respond!You're ..."Satire for Wingnuts" forced me to respond!<BR/><BR/>You're the biggest Wingnut I know.Möbiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851148006420274055noreply@blogger.com