tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post4873206071092330955..comments2024-03-28T00:54:34.206-04:00Comments on BigCityLib Strikes Back: Rumor: Father Of Speechy Warrior Has Property Vandalizedbigcitylibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-83451863871596967102009-11-25T16:31:51.339-05:002009-11-25T16:31:51.339-05:00But seriously, you should revel in her stupidity, ...<i>But seriously, you should revel in her stupidity, cause she makes the point better than you ever could that conservatives are racist retards.</i><br /><br />That was never my problem with her. It was her being invited onto the media as a spokesperson for either religious or freedom of expression issues, for which she has no demonstrable expertise, experience or scholarship that merits that kind of attention.<br /><br />She works cheap though and is <i>always</i> available.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-54815707739628312612009-11-25T14:00:37.181-05:002009-11-25T14:00:37.181-05:00Pretty lame, Jermo. I'd go over and show you h...<i>Pretty lame, Jermo. I'd go over and show you how it's done, but Jay Currie no longer let's my comments through moderation.</i><br /><br />I know. I was hoping to escalate things when she replied but she never did.<br /><br />I can only aspire to be as rude and vulgar as you towards these retards. Maybe one day, if I practice alot.<br /><br />But seriously, you should revel in her stupidity, cause she makes the point better than you ever could that conservatives are racist retards. I believe in conservatism and so I must try to make sure she does not represent what a conservative is.Jerome Bastienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05948692098854718499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-7367641094294212022009-11-25T13:28:19.214-05:002009-11-25T13:28:19.214-05:00It's not about what they believe. Even if Stey...<i>It's not about what they believe. Even if Steyn and Levant were all about "preserving white privilege" as you imply, that doesnt take away any of their rights. It's not about Steyn and Levant, it's about the state, and the state's control of speech.</i><br /><br />I don't care what you think it's about. My last comment described what's really motivating people like Steyn and Levant (they're not the only ones, by the way). And it's not white or even male privilege necessarily, although I suspect that has a lot to do with it. It really is about unjustifiable privilege.<br /><br />I accept that as inevitable. Anti-discrimination laws and minority rights protection are just a counter-challenge to keep that in check and a fairly insignificant one at that.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-55831137728344671212009-11-25T13:17:43.031-05:002009-11-25T13:17:43.031-05:00Im trying to go after Kunty Shaidle here but she&#...<i>Im trying to go after Kunty Shaidle here but she's not biting.</i><br /><br />Pretty lame, Jermo. I'd go over and show you how it's done, but Jay Currie no longer let's my comments through moderation. They appear as "in moderation" and then disappear a few minutes later.<br /><br />Anyway who's the "we: that Kathy Shaidle is talking about? Her family was squatting in a potato field in the Sudetenland when the Battle of the Plains of Abraham happened.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-245080008996776282009-11-25T12:45:24.866-05:002009-11-25T12:45:24.866-05:00It's not about Mark Steyn, Levant or Lemire. R...<i>It's not about Mark Steyn, Levant or Lemire. Rights are rights, regardless of the character of the person involved. That's what distinguishes a right from a privilege.</i><br /><br />What's built into the Charter is the idea of reasonable and justifiable limits. Right now free speech is limited by <a href="http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0004567" rel="nofollow">libel laws</a> and <a href="http://www.faircopyrightforcanada.ca/?p=65" rel="nofollow">copyright</a>. It could be argued that the laws may be too restrictive, but I'm fairly certain that in general people want some libel laws, some copyright restrictions. Free speech isn't an unlimited right even when we exclude the idea of hate speech.sharonapple88https://www.blogger.com/profile/11149226422042041129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-58522382053413398112009-11-25T09:33:17.963-05:002009-11-25T09:33:17.963-05:00Ti-Guy:
Why don't you take on one of the rig...Ti-Guy:<br /><br /><i><br />Why don't you take on one of the right wing idiots who troll this blog incessantly, if you're spoiling so much for a fight?</i><br /><br />Im trying to go after Kunty Shaidle <a href="http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/meanwhile-back-in-the-other-nation-of-canada/#comments" rel="nofollow">here</a> but she's not biting.Jerome Bastienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05948692098854718499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-64090645319540474432009-11-25T09:22:57.884-05:002009-11-25T09:22:57.884-05:00RE: Ti-Guy @4:18pm
Sorry I didnt reply any sooner...RE: Ti-Guy @4:18pm<br /><br />Sorry I didnt reply any sooner, stuff just kept on happening.<br /><br />It's not about Mark Steyn, Levant or Lemire. Rights are rights, regardless of the character of the person involved. That's what distinguishes a right from a privilege.<br /><br /><i>the rest of us might have long ago become convinced that they all believe free expression is a right worth preserving.</i><br /><br />It's not about what they believe. Even if Steyn and Levant were all about "preserving white privilege" as you imply, that doesnt take away any of their rights. It's not about Steyn and Levant, it's about the state, and the state's control of speech.Jerome Bastienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05948692098854718499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-37854742971147456492009-11-24T21:37:18.267-05:002009-11-24T21:37:18.267-05:00That's it Ti. When you're losing on points...That's it Ti. When you're losing on points, change the topic to something unrelated.Gerrard787https://www.blogger.com/profile/14313108762970361402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-11730488622474046582009-11-24T21:22:32.792-05:002009-11-24T21:22:32.792-05:00Evaded it three times already.
Fixed.<i>Evaded it three times already.</i><br /><br />Fixed.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-75040251654010784692009-11-24T21:21:23.311-05:002009-11-24T21:21:23.311-05:00Ha! Now I'm trying to get that image out of my...<i>Ha! Now I'm trying to get that image out of my head. :P</i><br /><br />Frightening, isn't it?Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-49337488946474628092009-11-24T21:04:22.842-05:002009-11-24T21:04:22.842-05:00You evaded the issue of having two Blogger account...<i>You evaded the issue of having two Blogger accounts quite nicely, by the way.</i> - Ti<br /><br />Answered it three times already. <br /><br /><i>Politics is being used to criticse the HRCs with regards to section 13.</i> - sharonapple88<br /><br />Of course. Since HRC's are behaving more as political entities then impartial bodies, they deserve heightened scrutiny.<br /><br /><i>Check out this site if you're really curious.</i><br /><br />Oh please. Their top story is the <i>Racism. Stop It!</i> National Video Competition. We don't need HRC's to browbeat Canadians on this largely dead topic.Gerrard787https://www.blogger.com/profile/14313108762970361402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-70560681248964970112009-11-24T20:29:45.125-05:002009-11-24T20:29:45.125-05:00Just to be clear: a complaint was never lodged aga...<i>Just to be clear: a complaint was never lodged against Mark Steyn. It was against MacLean's.</i><br /><br />True. D'oh. <br /><br /><i>The Robber Baron's catamite suffered enough under the great weight of his Lardship. He does not need additional reasons to be a martyr</i><br /><br />Ha! Now I'm trying to get that image out of my head. :Psharonapple88https://www.blogger.com/profile/11149226422042041129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-51775415265227315562009-11-24T20:24:12.749-05:002009-11-24T20:24:12.749-05:00You don't say. Core issue? This illustrates ho...<i>You don't say. Core issue? This illustrates how our HRC's are being used as political tools to silence opponents.</i><br /><br />Politics is being used to criticse the HRCs with regards to section 13. There are legitimate complaints to be made about the process, among other things, but there are a lot of distortions and lies about what they do.<br /><br /><i>Pray tell, apart from harassing vocal Canadians, what is the job of our HRC's?</i><br /><br />Check out this <a href="http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/default-en.asp" rel="nofollow">site</a> if you're really curious.sharonapple88https://www.blogger.com/profile/11149226422042041129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-79890049515536849812009-11-24T20:22:13.093-05:002009-11-24T20:22:13.093-05:00You can see this in what happened to Levant and St...<i>You can see this in what happened to Levant and Steyn. They were brought up on complaints that were ultimately dismissed.</i><br /><br />Just to be clear: a complaint was never lodged against Mark Steyn. It was against <i>MacLean's</i>.<br /><br />The Robber Baron's catamite suffered enough under the great weight of his Lardship. He does not need additional reasons to be a martyr.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-33042159804899407472009-11-24T20:19:13.339-05:002009-11-24T20:19:13.339-05:00Pray tell, apart from harassing vocal Canadians, w...<i>Pray tell, apart from harassing vocal Canadians, what is the job of our HRC's?</i><br /><br />To give you something to bitch and moan about and criminally cyber-stalk and harass other Canadians for.<br /><br />You evaded the issue of having two <i>Blogger</i> accounts quite nicely, by the way.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-45801459944895288482009-11-24T20:13:30.954-05:002009-11-24T20:13:30.954-05:00Certainly the Toronto 18 should have due process, ...<i>Certainly the Toronto 18 should have due process, and it should be available to all Canadians, including Steyn and Levant. </i><br /><br />Due process... Are you refering obliquely to the argument that the Human Rights Commission has a "100% conviction" rate. <br /><br />Here's how the <a href="http://www.chrc.gc.ca/publications/report_moon_rapport/page2-en.asp#224" rel="nofollow">process works with regards to Section 13.</a> Nothing gets sent straight to the tribunal. <br /><br />As noted on the site: "Between January 2001 and September 2008 the CHRC received 73 section 13 complaints (about 2% of the total number of complaints received by the CHRC). Of these, 32 were closed or dismissed by the CHRC and 34 were sent to the CHRT for adjudication. (When these numbers were compiled in September 2008, 2 of the 73 complaints were under investigation by the CHRC and 5 were awaiting decision by the CHRC.) Of the 34 complaints that were sent to the CHRT, 10 were resolved prior to adjudication. In September 2008, 8 of the complaints forwarded to the CHRT were awaiting conciliation/adjudication. In the remaining 16 cases the CHRT found that section 13 had been breached and imposed a cease and desist order. In several of these cases the Tribunal also imposed monetary penalties." <br /><br />As Richard Moon notes <a href="http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/10/23/richard-moon-the-attack-on-human-rights-commissions.aspx" rel="nofollow">the 100% conviction rate is an exaggeration: </a> "A National Post editorial observed that: 'The CHRC, too, has a frighteningly undemocratic 100% conviction rate on hate speech cases.' When Mark Steyn makes the claim he likes also to point out that not even Iran and North Korea have a 100% conviction rate.<br />This claim is a little like Bill Clinton’s statement : “I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky”. It is intended to be misread. It is possible, although just barely, to interpret the 100% conviction rate claim as true, but in its ‘true’ meaning it is entirely uninteresting and in no way a criticism of the CHRC."<br /><br />You can see this in what happened to Levant and Steyn. They were brought up on complaints that were ultimately dismissed.sharonapple88https://www.blogger.com/profile/11149226422042041129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-7378038623986854532009-11-24T20:13:22.953-05:002009-11-24T20:13:22.953-05:00That's because it's not their job, you ted...<i>That's because it's not their job, you tedious troll.</i><br /><br />Pray tell, apart from harassing vocal Canadians, what is the job of our HRC's?Gerrard787https://www.blogger.com/profile/14313108762970361402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-86219061991756421082009-11-24T19:44:21.471-05:002009-11-24T19:44:21.471-05:00and it should be available to all Canadians, inclu...<i>and it should be available to all Canadians, including Steyn and Levant.</i><br /><br />Levant is certainly happy that's true, what with all the libel suits. Steyn, of course, was never subject to any action. Although the catamite's sugar-daddy sure was, amirite?<br /><br /><i>It still remains true though that our HRC's have failed to protect us from those planning spectacular acts of violence against Canadians.</i><br /><br />They haven't protected Canadians from your criminal cyber-stalking and harassment either.<br /><br />That's because it's <i>not their job</i>, you tedious troll.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-47361238671916368962009-11-24T19:11:01.076-05:002009-11-24T19:11:01.076-05:00Certainly the Toronto 18 should have due process, ...Certainly the Toronto 18 should have due process, and it should be available to all Canadians, including Steyn and Levant. <br /><br />It still remains true though that our HRC's have failed to protect us from those planning spectacular acts of violence against Canadians.Gerrard787https://www.blogger.com/profile/14313108762970361402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-45946592836498842982009-11-24T17:59:16.806-05:002009-11-24T17:59:16.806-05:00And the real haters and threats to Canada, like th...<i>And the real haters and threats to Canada, like the Toronto 18, are always given a free pass by our leftish elites.</i><br /><br />Stop lying, you stupid fuck. The only thing they're getting is <i>due process.</i><br /><br /><i>This illustrates how our HRC's are being used as political tools to silence opponents.</i><br /><br />No one has been silenced, you stupid fuck. You've been here and elsewhere, criminally cyber-harassing others for years and no has stopped you yet.<br /><br /><i>LMAO. Got paranoia Ti?</i><br /><br />Do you model this behaviour in front of your children? Just point and laugh?<br /><br />Anyway, that last comment wasn't addressed to you. Mind your own business, you tedious troll and go lob a molotov cocktail at some Jewish doctor's house or something.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-92181226956574110642009-11-24T17:06:41.747-05:002009-11-24T17:06:41.747-05:00You get a brick through your window, you're go...<i>You get a brick through your window, you're gonna call Jennifer Lynch?</i> - bracken<br /><br />Exactly. <br /><br />And the real haters and threats to Canada, like the Toronto 18, are always given a free pass by our leftish elites.<br /><br /><i>It goes right to the core issue that people like Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant don't believe in laws to protect human rights at all.</i><br /> - Ti<br /><br />You don't say. Core issue? This illustrates how our HRC's are being used as political tools to silence opponents.<br /><br /><i>Their ultimate goal is clear: to preserve the unjustifiable privilege enjoyed by people like Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant</i> - Ti<br /><br />LMAO. Got paranoia Ti?Gerrard787https://www.blogger.com/profile/14313108762970361402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-81219127544599535792009-11-24T16:18:41.368-05:002009-11-24T16:18:41.368-05:00But hey if you dont feel like acting like BCL'...<i>But hey if you dont feel like acting like BCL's henchman today, that's fine by me.</i><br /><br />Why don't you take on one of the right wing idiots who troll this blog incessantly, if you're spoiling so much for a fight?<br /><br />Bottom line, Jermo is that if the speechies (with rare exceptions) spent as much using their freedom of expression to counter bad speech with more speech instead of vilifying and defaming all the people who don't necessarily agree with them, all the while attracting an audience that approves of these tactics (and inciting hatred to boot), the rest of us might have long ago become convinced that they all believe free expression is a right worth preserving.<br /><br />But they don't and that's the key here. They just want their ideas to dominate and prevail and to be sheltered from challenges that expose just how little merit most of their ideas usually have.<br /><br />It goes right to the core issue that people like Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant <i>don't</i> believe in laws to protect human rights at all. Steyn called the Charter of Rights a <a href="http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/12/spare-me-the-therapeutic-platitudes/2/" rel="nofollow">comically worthless document</a> and Ezra Levant claimed that the "stupid Charter" was at the problem with respect to changing the discriminatory civil marriage law.<br /><br />This campaign against sec. 13 was just an attempt to begin chipping away at civil rights protection at the edges with the assumption that the campaign would move on to core protections once this battle was won. Although, with the drama and celebrity resulting from several libel suits and lucrative careers resulting from perpetual fundraising for legal defences, it's kind of taken on a life of its own at this point.<br /><br />Their ultimate goal is clear: to preserve the unjustifiable privilege enjoyed by people like Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant (and many many others), who, let's face it, would now, in a real meritocracy that they claim to champion, be living in cardboard boxes in the street.<br /><br />I used to be quite fine with their unjustified privilege; as a white, Christian male, I've enjoyed it myself. Success is 99% good fortune anyway. But now that they've had the chance to reveal the extent of their intellectual dishonesty and their moral and ethical corruption, I'm convinced more than ever that these types of people, along with anyone who supports them, agrees with them or is associated with them represent a clear and present danger to the rest of us.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-19400333839379305072009-11-24T15:26:53.413-05:002009-11-24T15:26:53.413-05:00The only person who claimed that was you.
Sure bu...<i>The only person who claimed that was you.</i><br /><br />Sure but the implication is obvious, because of BCL's support for s.13.<br /><br />But hey if you dont feel like acting like BCL's henchman today, that's fine by me.Jerome Bastienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05948692098854718499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-92150450970896566452009-11-24T14:48:25.889-05:002009-11-24T14:48:25.889-05:00But please Ti-Guy, enlighten my poor troglodyte mi...<i>But please Ti-Guy, enlighten my poor troglodyte mind, how does this incident show that s.13 should be kept on the books? </i><br /><br />The only person who claimed that was you. And what I was implying is that it is awfully juvenile to have bothered in the first place. <i>Thus</i>, my complaint about higher education no longer providing a maturing experience of any kind.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-20880132717015651592009-11-24T14:04:12.975-05:002009-11-24T14:04:12.975-05:00Here: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2009/...Here: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2009/11/24/calgary-bomb-attack-teenager-arrested-mckee.htmlHolly Stickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01137842937086115228noreply@blogger.com