tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post7755849427479626161..comments2024-03-28T00:54:34.206-04:00Comments on BigCityLib Strikes Back: Shaidle Panics?bigcitylibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-38181938014786366862009-03-13T11:31:00.000-04:002009-03-13T11:31:00.000-04:00I assure you John that my crit of Kathy's bigotry ...I assure you John that my crit of Kathy's bigotry is not based on a desire for hits on my blog. I have gotten to the point where I treat my blog as a kind of friends/family update center. If you get big in the blogworld you attract things like Richard Evans or Analogue. Its not worth it.<BR/><BR/>I actually try most of the time to avoid Kathy Shaidle's blog. Raises my blood pressure, makes me angry. Same thing with other "Dollars For Racism" blogs out there.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes however, stories like this start to make traction and I end my embargo.Somena Womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05010535817469581311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-78080343866413353772009-03-13T10:13:00.000-04:002009-03-13T10:13:00.000-04:00Ti-Guy,I've missed your excellent comments lately....Ti-Guy,<BR/><BR/>I've missed your excellent comments lately.Sunitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13079712490958220626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-35341733046070281902009-03-12T23:27:00.000-04:002009-03-12T23:27:00.000-04:00I think the point I've been trying to make, and pr...I think the point I've been trying to make, and probably not very well, is that I've come to see the whole back and forth brohaha in the so-called Canadian political blogosphere as a kind of travelling (through cyberspace) medicine show.<BR/><BR/>With an emphasis on show. I'm sure some of us are sincere at least some of the time. But it strikes me (and this is taking BCL's comments about blog traffic into account)that these attacks and counter attacks are primarily motivated by a desire to generate attention to the blogs that are involved.<BR/><BR/>Shaidle could say what she has to say minus the vitriol. But she knows that most of the attention she receives is the same attention a car accident receives. Humans are attracted, strongly attracted, to conflict.<BR/><BR/>I am absolutely happy with the criticism Shaidle receives. I think she is, in Buddhist terms, making bad causes day in and day out.<BR/><BR/>I don't however, trust the motivation of fellows like Kinsella, who I think is powerfully and compulsively in need of seeking attention.<BR/><BR/>I've said that at his site, and he chooses not to publish the comment. His perogative.johnny maudlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09379960303678668045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-9165356772568318002009-03-12T17:56:00.000-04:002009-03-12T17:56:00.000-04:00Cameron,Sure, by all means go ahead. I would like ...Cameron,<BR/><BR/>Sure, by all means go ahead. I would like to point out that not everybody crit'ing Kathy's bigotry are from the left.<BR/><BR/>I'm one of those "escape from planet false dichotmy" Libertarians.<BR/><BR/>I've been on Kathy's case a long long time. So has Mike from Rational Reasons & The Converted. He's not paticularly lefty either.<BR/><BR/>Of course this kind of protest has made me/us personnae non-grata with the Blogging Tory types and Citizens of Right-Wing Nutville.<BR/><BR/>So draw your conclusions from that if you like.<BR/><BR/>wv=comvictSomena Womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05010535817469581311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-7484317544737377252009-03-12T15:29:00.000-04:002009-03-12T15:29:00.000-04:00John, a follow up question to Somena Woman (if she...John, a follow up question to Somena Woman (if she will permit it): <BR/><BR/>Since, as she points out, "The Free Speechies are always saying that the answer to bigotry is to use YOUR free speech to criticize it." is a documented fact, why is it that the only people who ever criticize her for her racism are from the left? <BR/><BR/>(attention I'm about to use the "if you don't think the US should have invaded Iraq you love Saddam" line of reasoning" - hold on to your hat)<BR/><BR/>A further question would be this: If the only people who criticize her are from the left, does that mean that the people on the right all support the content of her statements? (not her right to say them, the <I>content</I>)<BR/><BR/>Another thought, isn't the fact that she hasn't been brought before the HRC basically proof that everything she and her ilk are on about (the tyranny of nice, the fascism of the system etc etc) is basically BS?<BR/><BR/>WV (I'm not kidding) dismasCameron Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13457101409245763699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-90271539461245679302009-03-12T13:56:00.000-04:002009-03-12T13:56:00.000-04:00Now I've got a question for YOU John Daly,The Free...Now I've got a question for YOU John Daly,<BR/><BR/>The Free Speechies are always saying that the answer to bigotry is to use YOUR free speech to criticize it.<BR/><BR/>So.. since we are doing that -- why do you have a problem?<BR/><BR/>Unless you actually DO agree with 5 Feet of Fecal Matter.Somena Womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05010535817469581311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-60569283991495746992009-03-12T13:12:00.000-04:002009-03-12T13:12:00.000-04:00Kathy has not incited violence against individuals...Kathy has not incited violence against individuals or various ethnic/religious groups.<BR/><BR/>She has not "declared war" on people, she has not threatened people with violence, she has not counselled people to commit crimes against ethnic groups<BR/><BR/>In the case of at least some of the people Warman and the HRC have succesfully prosected this is not the case.<BR/><BR/>Until Kathy crosses those kinds of lines - I have no appetite for weilding the power of the state against her.<BR/><BR/>Although I fully support the right of Warman to sue her for libel - which is a different kettle of fishSomena Womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05010535817469581311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-55168204548733432792009-03-12T11:43:00.000-04:002009-03-12T11:43:00.000-04:00Hey Johnny Maudlin...give us a break.I personally ...Hey Johnny Maudlin...give us a break.<BR/><BR/>I personally wouldn't file a complaint against her because it would be a <I>nuisance</I> complaint.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-86208011056927452542009-03-12T10:40:00.000-04:002009-03-12T10:40:00.000-04:00"I suggest (and remember, you are under oath...) t..."I suggest (and remember, you are under oath...) that the real reason you (and others) have not filed a human rights complaint against Shaidle is that you know that complaint would fail."<BR/><BR/>Exactly. That's just what I meant when I said she does not meet the HRC standard. The HRC system only captures the worst forms of hate speech.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-7753039831085841032009-03-12T10:34:00.000-04:002009-03-12T10:34:00.000-04:00BCL: Again, I appreciate the forum and your respon...BCL: Again, I appreciate the forum and your response, however indirect. I am going to challenge you though. I think that credibility is pretty important, don't you? Certainly in these arguments about what is hateful and what is not, what is harmful and what is helpful etc.<BR/><BR/>When you (and others) indicate that you have not filed human rights complaints against Shaidle because she is, essentially, not worth your time, well, something stinks a little.<BR/><BR/>She is worth your time here, on this blog. She is worth the effort to actively oppose her public appearances, at least at venues you (and others) have deemed inappropriate for her, the messenger, and the message she carries.<BR/><BR/>So it seems there is a large face here, large enough to have two sides. Here is my suggestion: I suggest (and remember, you are under oath...) that the real reason you (and others) have not filed a human rights complaint against Shaidle is that you know that complaint would fail.<BR/><BR/>ISN'T THAT THE TRUTH, BCL!!<BR/><BR/>(Sorry, I thought I was Tom Cruise for a second ;-)johnny maudlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09379960303678668045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-23656402834296392202009-03-12T08:58:00.000-04:002009-03-12T08:58:00.000-04:00BCL, I agree she is not very good at it but she wr...BCL, I agree she is not very good at it but she writes despicable hateful posts. Then when a few courageous souls like kinsella or Farber speak out her basement dweller friends emerge from their filth and with spittle dribbling down their unshaven chins engage in ad hominem attacks.<BR/><BR/>Farber is quoted in the London Free Press critical of what Shaidle wrote. Shaidle and her cave people attack Farber personally. And yes that includes Mark Steyn who never met a person who he couldn't attack (ideas ahh now that's a differnet thing...you see you have to be smart to attack ideas)<BR/><BR/>I know the cesspool of the extreme rightwing blogosphere is no place for decent people but we need to continue to be critical of their ideas, expose their rampant venom, racism and ugliness.Gordon Underhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10977499948692127375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-46198507986740206242009-03-12T08:43:00.000-04:002009-03-12T08:43:00.000-04:00CC,Bal,And many of us can't be bothered, and also ...CC,Bal,<BR/><BR/>And many of us can't be bothered, and also many of us think that while racist, bigoted, and etc., Shaidle doesn't really rank as a hate monger. She's just not that good at it, and probably would not meet the HRC standard.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-10079323117748542432009-03-12T07:59:00.000-04:002009-03-12T07:59:00.000-04:00So Jay,What exactly does her rectum taste like. 20...So Jay,<BR/><BR/>What exactly does her rectum taste like. 200 words or less. Go.<BR/><BR/>(I'm guessing it's an improvement over the normal taste of your own mouth)Reality Biteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10350104223630062677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-71937895376787345142009-03-12T07:58:00.000-04:002009-03-12T07:58:00.000-04:00"ut let me ask this: today Shaidle asks why no one..."ut let me ask this: today Shaidle asks why no one is filing a human rights complaint against her, if so many are convinced she's promoting hatred. It's a fair question. Any takers?"<BR/><BR/>That's easy. <BR/><BR/>Because many of us support her right to write whatever she wants. Many of us who despise what she says still defend her right to say it.Balbulicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03909755014063452689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-37616029614094503802009-03-12T07:12:00.000-04:002009-03-12T07:12:00.000-04:00Or here's a suggestion, Jay -- why don't we just a...Or here's a suggestion, Jay -- why don't we just assume that she <I>does</I> stand by what she wrote unless we hear otherwise? Wouldn't that save everyone just buckets of time, Jay?<BR/><BR/>Twit.CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11406057201126015750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-86502119630152118332009-03-12T04:04:00.000-04:002009-03-12T04:04:00.000-04:00Server issues apparently. Have you checked less in...Server issues apparently. Have you checked less incendiary posts?<BR/><BR/>And, if you are all that concerned, why not wmail Kathy and ask if she stands by what she has most certainly written.<BR/><BR/>I suspect she will.Jay Curriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07100960091229282311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-1901253267619010042009-03-12T00:50:00.000-04:002009-03-12T00:50:00.000-04:00John: rather convenient don't you think she'd be ...John: rather convenient don't you think she'd be challenging someone to file a complaint, when on the same day, it appears she's trying to wipe out all trace of her offending blog postings that we've all listed.Oxford County Liberalshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181314055142726735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-15030505019115211032009-03-12T00:49:00.000-04:002009-03-12T00:49:00.000-04:00"Shaidle asks why no one is filing a human rights ..."Shaidle asks why no one is filing a human rights complaint against her"<BR/><BR/>Because she'd revel in the attention.Andy Lehrerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01785847517280834565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-59886470787146602122009-03-12T00:32:00.000-04:002009-03-12T00:32:00.000-04:00Hello BCL: Again, I'll write that I think this is ...Hello BCL: Again, I'll write that I think this is a tempest etc. But let me ask this: today Shaidle asks why no one is filing a human rights complaint against her, if so many are convinced she's promoting hatred. It's a fair question. Any takers?johnny maudlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09379960303678668045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-66046306830541568292009-03-11T22:51:00.000-04:002009-03-11T22:51:00.000-04:00"Well, I emailed her and her response was: "Go to ..."Well, I emailed her and her response was: "Go to Hell, you smelly frog!"<BR/><BR/>Heh..<BR/><BR/>And ne'er a Prince you will be either.Comrade Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16699361419958081444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-78999382433223767452009-03-11T22:34:00.000-04:002009-03-11T22:34:00.000-04:00Her comments are so plentiful and filled with such...Her comments are so plentiful and filled with such bigotry that she makes David Ahenakew look like Martin Luther King in comparison.Gordon Underhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10977499948692127375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-54077515096172819782009-03-11T22:14:00.000-04:002009-03-11T22:14:00.000-04:00The missing Sikh quote was on her new one (April 2...The missing Sikh quote was on her new one (April 2008).Dr.Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00416571487451925246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-80302649599009258762009-03-11T21:23:00.000-04:002009-03-11T21:23:00.000-04:00Ti-Guy,"But that's the one that's always offered w...Ti-Guy,<BR/><BR/>"But that's the one that's always offered when wingnuts get called on their incoherence and/or hypocrisy, is it not?"<BR/><BR/>Sometimes, maybe. But I have to admit: I stole the line about people having a "right to be dishonest" from a dispute that arose a while back between (I think) Tom Palmer (of Cato), and some freakazoids from the Lew Rockwell Institute.<BR/><BR/>Suffice to say, Palmer is a libertarian, and Lew Rockwell is full of neo-confederate gas bags. The latter group pulled a Shaidle and tried to cleanse some of their rhetoric, and Palmer called them on it.<BR/><BR/>You're probably right that "wingnuts" use that excuse, but more rational libertarians will call them on it.<BR/><BR/>But there's a subset of right-wing hypocrites who will persist, as always, to make life difficult for the rest of us.Terrence C. Watsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07332306056519991646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-33204581174865099012009-03-11T21:21:00.000-04:002009-03-11T21:21:00.000-04:00A little media publicity on the negative side, and...A little media publicity on the negative side, and suddenly the archives start disappearing?<BR/><BR/>Interesting. I thought she was proud of those views... but apparently not when a bit of negativity in the mainstream press appears.Oxford County Liberalshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12181314055142726735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-66793268759032999042009-03-11T21:09:00.000-04:002009-03-11T21:09:00.000-04:00Both her old site AND her new site, if that last i...Both her old site AND her new site, if that last is a bit obscure.<BR/><BR/>Balzing is basically saying its all an Internet FU thing, just effecting her old site.bigcitylibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.com