tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post7840033002253998932..comments2024-03-28T00:54:34.206-04:00Comments on BigCityLib Strikes Back: B'nai Brith Wants Book Removedbigcitylibhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05081538803991095825noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-87979965323510883592010-03-29T17:39:41.341-04:002010-03-29T17:39:41.341-04:00John Bagley [sic] Returns his Ottawa home to Algon...<i>John Bagley [sic] Returns his Ottawa home to Algonquin First Nations.</i><br /><br />Umm...I wonder if Harry followed the remorseless logic of that suggestion, if he was trying to draw parallels?Dr.Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00416571487451925246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-23527663752474698822010-03-29T12:44:47.272-04:002010-03-29T12:44:47.272-04:00Do me and yourself a favour TJ. Don't send me ...<i>Do me and yourself a favour TJ. Don't send me fun "little news tidbits" and don't darken my email inbox anymore. Thanx.</i><br /><br />Who's TJ?Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-77689435710119534232010-03-29T12:20:41.499-04:002010-03-29T12:20:41.499-04:00As far as Jerusalem is concerned, before 1967 the ...As far as Jerusalem is concerned, before 1967 the Jordanians refused access to Jewish holy sites to Jews. And Jews were ethnically cleansed, the old fashioned way (by murder) from other places like Hebron. There was no BDS or anti-"apartheid" movement against the Jordanians, let alone against the "Palestinians" who hadn't yet been named as such. <br /><br />All of this took place in the atmosphere of an Arab League boycott against Israel on the basis that self-determination for Jews was not OK. Still no BDS movement or "apartheid" type protests by those committed to social justce.<br /><br />And I'm curious what will cross Obama's mind tonight when at his "universal story" Passover seder he gets to the age old high point of "next year in Jerusalem."Marky Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00465497859724027212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-13012028822223931082010-03-29T12:12:06.834-04:002010-03-29T12:12:06.834-04:00News Flash!
John Bagley Returns his Ottawa home t...News Flash!<br /><br />John Bagley Returns his Ottawa home to Algonquin First Nations.Harry Abramshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14564085841438463296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-60510052702172487592010-03-29T11:51:16.128-04:002010-03-29T11:51:16.128-04:00Here's my post, in case anyone here is misled ...Here's my post, in case anyone here is misled by that sinuous creep:<br /><br />http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com/2010/03/east-jerusalem-protest.html<br /><br />Funny how so many Jews on the ground in East Jerusalem disagree with Harry. They know what's going on. But, of course, so does Harry.<br /><br />East Jerusalem, as my earlier link notes, is annexed territory into which civilian settlers are being moved, contrary to international law.Dr.Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00416571487451925246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-79924187291063493592010-03-29T10:47:41.383-04:002010-03-29T10:47:41.383-04:00So all Israelis are "settlers" eh Dawg? ...So all Israelis are "settlers" eh Dawg? <br /><br />Even in Israel's capital city of Jerusalem. <br /><br />And I suppose this phrase was to make sure that your fans understood that the Jews who owned the apt. sang praises of a deranged murderer, and I was in league with them. Sorry, that doesn't sweep under the rug too well.<br /><br />" the settlers who took over the houses sang songs, caught on video, celebrating the mass murderer Baruch Goldstein.<br /><br />Also you consistently single out Jews and Israel for this kind of approbation, when variations of it still go on all over the world in the wake of armed conflicts, without comment or comparison. <br /><br /> A fellow I did business with made a trip to Romania to reclaim an ancestral home that was confiscated by the now defunct Communist government.I don't know what songs he was supposed to sing.Harry Abramshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14564085841438463296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-3223833433487650442010-03-29T09:04:09.522-04:002010-03-29T09:04:09.522-04:00There's a lot more. Whether it's rent or b...There's a lot more. Whether it's rent or building permits or flat-out expropriation, every excuse has been used to drive families from their homes to make way for settlers:<br /><br />http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWFiles2009.nsf/FilesByRWDocUnidFilename/PSLG-7RMB33-full_report.pdf/$File/full_report.pdf<br /><br />Harry knows all this very well.<br /><br />With respect to "rent" (protection money would be a better term) imagine that the US annexes Windsor. Old documents show up proving that your home in that city really belongs to Americans. You can only appeal to an unsympathetic US court. You are allowed to stay in your house until the matter is settled, but have to pay "rent" to US authorities. <br /><br />You refuse--after all, it's your house. The court rules against you, and you are forcibly removed by US marshals from the only home you have ever known. While you sit on the street and worry about your kids, some newly-arrived Russian emigres move into your house.<br /><br />That's the exact analogy to what's been going on in East Jerusalem. The fact that Harry dishonestly talks about "rent," when it's all about ethnic cleansing, goes right to the implicit racism I was referring to earlier.Dr.Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00416571487451925246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-73468237895002052542010-03-29T08:34:36.009-04:002010-03-29T08:34:36.009-04:00Is this the case you two are discussing?
In the ...Is this the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/world/middleeast/10jerusalem.html" rel="nofollow">case</a> you two are discussing? <br /><br /><i>In the early 1970s, the Israeli courts awarded two Jewish associations ownership of the compound based on land deeds that were a century old. The Palestinian residents were allowed to stay on as protected tenants on the condition that they paid rent to the Jewish groups. <br /><br />Rejecting the court ruling, many of the Palestinian families refused to pay rent, making them eligible for eviction. Their lawyer claimed that the Jewish land deeds were forged but was not able to convince the Israeli courts. <br /><br />....<br />The Ghawis came to Jerusalem as refugees from the village of Sarafind, now Tzrifin, in central Israel. But they, like other Palestinians across the 1967 lines, cannot go to court to reclaim lost property because of what some describe as an asymmetry in the Israeli law.<br /><br />In 1950, to protect the new Jewish state from the claims of the Palestinian refugees, Israel enacted the Absentees’ Property Law. It essentially strips Palestinians of any rights to property left behind in what is now Israel if they were in enemy territory, including East Jerusalem, between November 1947 and May 1948. </i><br /><br />Seems more complicated than a situation of people not paying rent.sharonapple88https://www.blogger.com/profile/11149226422042041129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-22156027318483996042010-03-28T21:36:41.685-04:002010-03-28T21:36:41.685-04:00Dawg, you completely ignored the facts that these ...Dawg, you completely ignored the facts that these "evicted" people were evicted for refusing to pay rent. Unlike their other Arab neighbors in an identical situation who managed to reach a balance with the Jewish owners of these places who could prove legitimate ownership. The "evicted ones" also chose to camp pitifully on the sidewalk all day and then go home to the East Jerusalem apartment that the PA had arranged for them. I don't know what kind of songs the new people might have been singing. Goldstein was a deranged murderer. And the atrocity that he committed was a number of years ago. That you would try to tie that my tail without even confirming it first was inappropriate to say the least.Harry Abramshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14564085841438463296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-3704372195513256232010-03-28T21:08:53.824-04:002010-03-28T21:08:53.824-04:00Your attempt to deflect from the ugly reality of E...Your attempt to deflect from the ugly reality of East Jerusalem evictions, Harry, told me everything about you that I need to know.<br /><br />When I raised the fact that a former Speaker of the Knesset and a number of Jews joined with the Palestinians to protest the literal throwing of families onto the street, and that the settlers who took over the houses sang songs, caught on video, celebrating the mass murderer Baruch Goldstein, your response was--what? <br /><br />To call me an anti-Semite. <br /><br />I'm generally a polite sort, Harry, but fuck you. Sorry, BCL.Dr.Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00416571487451925246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-77037416179032263932010-03-28T21:06:05.303-04:002010-03-28T21:06:05.303-04:00On second thought, I don't want to air any mor...On second thought, I don't want to air any more of my differences with Mr. Bagley here again too.<br /><br /> We had a pretty fair falling out over what Apartheid Week Israel is and Jews living or moving into East Jerusalem.<br /><br />If anybody wants to form their own opinions of who is right or wrong they can look back on those threads on his blog, see how the comments played out. <br /><br />I really don't want to spend any more time around here answering to "do you still beat your wife" type questions like we see above in this thread.<br /><br />We probably have some things in common , but name calling and little high school head games doesn't help anybody and wastes valuable time and focus.Harry Abramshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14564085841438463296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-55024387862966594572010-03-28T18:02:37.141-04:002010-03-28T18:02:37.141-04:00"implicitly racist attitude towards the Pales..."implicitly racist attitude towards the Palestinians."<br /><br />Now that's a bald-faced untruth if I ever saw one.<br /><br /> Examples please? Good luck finding them, because there aren't any. I have no special axe to grind against the Palestinians. I'm for a reasonable 2 state solution. <br /><br /> Half of my postings were about correcting distortions and dismissing what Dawg and his cohorts THOUGHT I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THINKING.Harry Abramshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14564085841438463296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-10721127262523646882010-03-28T16:28:25.531-04:002010-03-28T16:28:25.531-04:00Dawg:
You seem to forget that we live in a partic...Dawg:<br /><br />You seem to forget that we live in a participatory democracy. CJC, Farber even you have the absolute right to put forward an opinion, to lobby and to avocate in any legal manner possible. Frankly I find it pretty distatseful that you would rag on Farber for simply suggesting that a book be taught exactly in the manner that the author and publisher suggested.<br /><br />As for Bnai Brith, I reject and always have outright calls for censorship of books unless there are severe issues of racism, hatred or xenophobia. I believe their position on The Shepard's grnadughter is wrongAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-49081830631179129062010-03-28T14:55:31.951-04:002010-03-28T14:55:31.951-04:00Harry was banned--after a warning--for defaming me...Harry was banned--after a warning--for defaming me as an "anti-Semite." Not to mention for his implicitly racist attitude towards the Palestinians. <br /><br />No one else in this crowd has been banned, because they know how to behave, while deeply disagreeing with me on occasion. Unlike Harry, they engage, argue in good faith, and avoid trolling.<br /><br />Sue:<br /><br />As noted, I did post an explanatory link. But I think many of us are a little tired of being told by professional lobby groups what is "appropriate" reading in the schools. Let the school boards and the curriculum developers decide. Not Bernie Farber, with all due respect.<br /><br />And what of the more recent bans I mentioned? Why are you skipping over those? Do you defend them? Should B'nai Brith determine everything we are to see and hear?Dr.Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00416571487451925246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-73842351426947066022010-03-28T09:41:26.108-04:002010-03-28T09:41:26.108-04:00Dawg: "But I'm at a loss what I should be...Dawg: "But I'm at a loss what I should be apologizing for. I provided a link that set out matter of factly what happened in Toronto in 2006. It was an admittedly limited form of censorship, but censorship it assuredly was."<br /><br />Dawg, with respect, asking that a book be taught age-appropriately is simply not the same as censorship. You see books like "Catcher in the Rye" are taught in senior highschool as opposed to elementary school, would you say then that it is banned or censored for grade 3 students? For a smart guy you are being very silly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-88445217663417888452010-03-27T22:07:26.954-04:002010-03-27T22:07:26.954-04:00More dissembling by the good Doktor as he tries to...More dissembling by the good Doktor as he tries to cover another exposed distortion. <br /><br />Call him on it once too often on his own website and he'll ban you just like did me. <br /><br />Do me and yourself a favour TJ. Don't send me fun "little news tidbits" and don't darken my email inbox anymore. Thanx.Harry Abramshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14564085841438463296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-31398574775273980892010-03-27T10:33:31.160-04:002010-03-27T10:33:31.160-04:00Seems to me that Dawg owes us a bit of an apology....<i>Seems to me that Dawg owes us a bit of an apology.</i><br /><br />"Us?" Well, now. Finally.<br /><br />There was never a call for a complete banning, unlike the present book, or the Corrie play, or the <i>Seven Jewish Children</i> play,or the photography exhibit in Montreal, or the art exhibit in Toronto, or...well, you get the idea. <br /><br />Anybody would think that Sue and Yariv were trying to deflect. Naw, couldn't be.<br /><br />But I'm at a loss what I should be apologizing for. I provided a link that set out matter of factly what happened in Toronto in 2006. It was an admittedly limited form of censorship, but censorship it assuredly was.<br /><br />Bernie Farber was indignant enough about the c-word that he wrote to the papers about it at the time, but more recently (as in the examples above) this attempted cake-having-and-eating has been abandoned.Dr.Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00416571487451925246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-33907528178557582372010-03-27T10:12:24.610-04:002010-03-27T10:12:24.610-04:00Taking Yariv's suggestion to heart I searched ...Taking Yariv's suggestion to heart I searched the CJC site and found this excellent op-ed which deals head on with 3 wishes and the CJC position. <br /><br />http://www.cjc.ca/2006/03/23/putting-books-in-the-right-hands/<br /><br />Seems to me that Dawg owes us a bit of an apology.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-16553507406256660492010-03-27T09:18:15.721-04:002010-03-27T09:18:15.721-04:00It never ceases to amaze me the way in which some ...It never ceases to amaze me the way in which some choose to revise history. <br /><br />I recall back in the 1980s when I was going to Waterloo University the hub bub around the Merchant of Venice. Cenosors cried that Jewish groups like Canadian Jewish Congress wanted to ban or censor the play from schools. Only those who actually were interested in the facts understood that the Congress simply asked that the play be taught age appropriately. in grade 12 as opposed to grade 9.<br /><br />Once again Dawg tries to revise history with "Three Wishes". And once again the Jewish community and the CJC are misrepresented. Twenty five years later I am married with children.I read "Three Wishes" when the controversy broke out to see what the argument was about. On the jacket of the book, which I am looking at as I write this, it states very clearly that the book is best taught at a grade 6 level or higher This was the CJC position. It was never to ban. <br /><br />A simple trip to Google would have helped Dawg from becoming a revisionist with wrong facts.<br /><br />http://www.cjc.ca/2006/04/19/students-need-context-when-topics-are-sensitive/Yarivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05152624462160142819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-33388359385036266702010-03-26T18:34:54.733-04:002010-03-26T18:34:54.733-04:00oops.
My bad.
George Galloway.
Ralph Galloway, ...oops.<br /><br />My bad.<br /><br />George Galloway.<br /><br />Ralph Galloway, former UN director for aid to Palestinians, is obviously someone else.Robert G. Harvie, Q.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10414822301931567654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-74431583084526111132010-03-26T16:29:22.723-04:002010-03-26T16:29:22.723-04:00And to make it up to me perhaps you should go onli...<i>And to make it up to me perhaps you should go online and sponsor me in the Harry's 5K walk for prostate cancer so that I not only beat Jack Layton to the finish line but best him in fundraising as well.</i><br /><br />I'll think about it. I know where to donate, if I do.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-69976180566283147102010-03-26T15:43:07.689-04:002010-03-26T15:43:07.689-04:00Don't ask me. I don't consider Netanyahu o...<em>Don't ask me. I don't consider Netanyahu or Coulter authorities on anything but the politics of propaganda. And I've never participated in IAW, although I support people's right to organise campaigns of divestment, same as I did with South Africa. That the word "apartheid" has been seized, on, all of a sudden, as indicative of hatred or antisemitism just goes to show how weak and desperate the counter-campaign is, despite the resources at its disposal.</em> <br /><br />Perhaps. And I resist the notion that anti-Semitism is rampant on the Left. But when the people I've raised show up, either in real life or in an online debate, it's worth pushing back. I'll never understand why that is even a bit controversial or a rationale for an accusation of OCD.<br /><br />And to make it up to me perhaps you should go online and sponsor me in the Harry's 5K walk for prostate cancer so that I not only beat Jack Layton to the finish line but best him in fundraising as well.<br /><br />(If you really want sources for Felton's columns I'll post them but that will lead him to come to this discussion, which he may do already given your link to his site. And if he is even a fringe part of the Left, I would rather vote for Harper. But he isn't.)Marky Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00465497859724027212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-8698850405741477862010-03-26T15:36:04.877-04:002010-03-26T15:36:04.877-04:00Marky Mark said...
OK, then as for the substa...<i> Marky Mark said...<br /><br /> OK, then as for the substance, I don't understand why a double standard is tolerated. Forget blogs and the personal stuff that you introduced: why should Netanyahu be prevented from speaking at Concordia, Coulter receive a warning about hate speech and organized events opposing IAW be prohibited due to the extra security costs when Felton of all people (and he's not a leftist and wouldn't say that he is) gets air time, IAW proceeds without a Coulter like warning (as far as we know) and the Muhammad cartoons be shunned?</i><br /><br />Don't ask me. I don't consider Netanyahu or Coulter authorities on anything but the politics of propaganda. And I've never participated in IAW, although I support people's right to organise campaigns of divestment, same as I did with South Africa. That the word "apartheid" has been seized, on, all of a sudden, as indicative of hatred or antisemitism just goes to show how weak and desperate the counter-campaign is, despite the resources at its disposal.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-34601586472984505372010-03-26T15:27:53.282-04:002010-03-26T15:27:53.282-04:00"I think intellectual terrorism might be some..."I think intellectual terrorism might be something we need to address in this glorious Age of Information."<br /><br />Which is why Coulter shouldn't have been on the receiving end of it albeit in a manner that played right into her hands.Marky Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00465497859724027212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23292180.post-39182029685631551092010-03-26T15:20:39.120-04:002010-03-26T15:20:39.120-04:00I would have difficulties to agree to that, howeve...<i>I would have difficulties to agree to that, however I would say BB has become little more than an extension of Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud coalition.</i><br /><br />My somewhat sardonic quip hit a nerve with Harry though, didn't it?<br /><br />I think intellectual terrorism might be something we need to address in this glorious Age of Information.Ti-Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06620550471437012866noreply@blogger.com