The scandals keep piling up and the opposition is not gaining on the Cons. Where are the ads featuring these scandals? It's a loser's game having opposition members mocking the Cons. Let the ads do the talking. Use the press to push Shory, Geurgis, Raitt et al.
Exactly. Joe Public DOESN'T watch "Power & Politics", or even the news. If you want them talking down on Tim Horton's Row, you need to advertise to the "less informed masses": during hockey games; on talk radio; etc., etc.
Need to start the negative (reversely positive, I like to call them) NOW... Before the pin is pulled for another election!
I agree. Liberals need a few ads that won't backfire. Something low budget and simple. The ads that Harper had during the 2006 election that had actors (average Canadians) talking to each other at the coffee shop was a brilliant idea and I think Liberals should do the same. They need to be thought out though. We can't afford for them to backfire.
Yup, Shory is in deep cawcaw... So just exactly how would you Libs put together public ads about 'allegations' pertaining to a man's job before he got elected, and not face libel charges?
Opposition sucks, but try to get off the addiction to scandal.
Oh Wilson, Remember that old promise of transparency? that whole law and order party? I think involvement with mortgage fraud doesn't quite qualify. Especially if that skeleton were never disclosed before he was nominated for his riding
Yeah, except this time she's right. If there were evidence this guy did something wrong he probably would be under criminal investigation.
He just got caught in the cross-fire so is included in the lawsuit.
Did you hear about the 14 year old girl being sued by an insurance company because she failed to prevent the kid she was babysitting from setting the fire? She also just happened to pull that kid out of the burning house, saving his life, but apparently the insurance company does not really care about that part.
Anyway, the point is that in lawsuits the plaintiff names every one and their dog, and allows the court to sort out who owes them money and who doesn't at the end of the day.
Still, this "scandal" is bound to affect Harper in some way, even without libelous ads from the LPC.
Yeah, except this time she's right. If there were evidence this guy did something wrong he probably would be under criminal investigation.
He just got caught in the cross-fire so is included in the lawsuit.
Yes. There is ZERO evidence implicating Devinder Shory in any wrongdoing, and some bloggers need to be more careful with their language (you never know who might be lurking)....
Oh, ya right Wilson. I remember Rahim Jaffer trying to make a scandal out of pizza lunches (Volpe). In fact, Jaffer took a plane to Toronto with some buddies (on taxpayer money) to try to prove he could eat pizza for less.
Let the media do the story on Shory (no poem intended). They do read papers on the trains, etc.
"Did you hear about the 14 year old girl being sued by an insurance company because she failed to prevent the kid she was babysitting from setting the fire? She also just happened to pull that kid out of the burning house, saving his life, but apparently the insurance company does not really care about that part."
I see your point, but if, say, someone accidentally ran me over with their car, but then acted admirably, even heroically, I'd still sue their ass.
The bad cases are when you get sued because you were there. I was once (long ago) riding a bike on the *shoulder of the road* when I witnessed a car accident. As I saw everything, I stayed... until the guilty party started pointing at me claiming that I was driving *on the road* in an erratic manner, and it was all my fault. I then pedaled like hell out of there...
I once dated a nurse. We saw a rather bad car accident. She refused to give aid, stating that she'd never get sued for not helping, but could of a matter of course if she did, and as she wasn't working, she had no liability coverage.
But I digress...
What is Devinder in trouble for? Not alleged fraud, but alleged negligence:
"“In our claim we allege negligence against Devinder Shory in his capacity as a lawyer,” Ralph Marranca, BMO’s director of public relations, said in an email.
“We do not allege fraud against him. We allege that he was negligent in the way he acted as counsel for both (BMO) and the straw buyer in four transactions in which the bank has suffered a loss of approximately $300,000,” Marranca added."
I see the other rambling drunk Fred From BC has taken a break from collecting empties by the railroad track to enlighten us with his wisdom and talking points.
Fred from B.C. - Yes. There is ZERO evidence implicating Devinder Shory in any wrongdoing, and some bloggers need to be more careful with their language (you never know who might be lurking)....
......you're the one who lurks - working for Harper are ya?
Didnt Gene and RuralSandi read Mark Francis' link:
“We do not allege fraud against him. We allege that he was negligent in the way he acted as counsel for both (BMO) and the straw buyer in four transactions in which the bank has suffered a loss of approximately $300,000,”
Pretty crucial point. Being involved in a fraud and being negligent with respect to not detecting a fraud are miles apart in terms of moral culpability. That was a point I tried to make constantly with Conservatives with respect to the sponsorship scandal.
The scandals keep piling up and the opposition is not gaining on the Cons. Where are the ads featuring these scandals? It's a loser's game having opposition members mocking the Cons. Let the ads do the talking. Use the press to push Shory, Geurgis, Raitt et al.
ReplyDeleteExactly. Joe Public DOESN'T watch "Power & Politics", or even the news. If you want them talking down on Tim Horton's Row, you need to advertise to the "less informed masses": during hockey games; on talk radio; etc., etc.
ReplyDeleteNeed to start the negative (reversely positive, I like to call them) NOW... Before the pin is pulled for another election!
I agree. Liberals need a few ads that won't backfire. Something low budget and simple. The ads that Harper had during the 2006 election that had actors (average Canadians) talking to each other at the coffee shop was a brilliant idea and I think Liberals should do the same. They need to be thought out though. We can't afford for them to backfire.
ReplyDeleteYup, Shory is in deep cawcaw...
ReplyDeleteSo just exactly how would you Libs put together public ads about 'allegations' pertaining to a man's job before he got elected, and not face libel charges?
Opposition sucks, but try to get off the addiction to scandal.
Oh Wilson, Remember that old promise of transparency? that whole law and order party? I think involvement with mortgage fraud doesn't quite qualify. Especially if that skeleton were never disclosed before he was nominated for his riding
ReplyDeleteYou will all have to excuse Wilson.
ReplyDeleteShe drinks a lot.
And she is into LSD.
Yeah, except this time she's right. If there were evidence this guy did something wrong he probably would be under criminal investigation.
ReplyDeleteHe just got caught in the cross-fire so is included in the lawsuit.
Did you hear about the 14 year old girl being sued by an insurance company because she failed to prevent the kid she was babysitting from setting the fire? She also just happened to pull that kid out of the burning house, saving his life, but apparently the insurance company does not really care about that part.
Anyway, the point is that in lawsuits the plaintiff names every one and their dog, and allows the court to sort out who owes them money and who doesn't at the end of the day.
Still, this "scandal" is bound to affect Harper in some way, even without libelous ads from the LPC.
Gayle said...
ReplyDeleteYeah, except this time she's right. If there were evidence this guy did something wrong he probably would be under criminal investigation.
He just got caught in the cross-fire so is included in the lawsuit.
Yes. There is ZERO evidence implicating Devinder Shory in any wrongdoing, and some bloggers need to be more careful with their language (you never know who might be lurking)....
Oh, ya right Wilson. I remember Rahim Jaffer trying to make a scandal out of pizza lunches (Volpe). In fact, Jaffer took a plane to Toronto with some buddies (on taxpayer money) to try to prove he could eat pizza for less.
ReplyDeleteLet the media do the story on Shory (no poem intended). They do read papers on the trains, etc.
"Did you hear about the 14 year old girl being sued by an insurance company because she failed to prevent the kid she was babysitting from setting the fire? She also just happened to pull that kid out of the burning house, saving his life, but apparently the insurance company does not really care about that part."
ReplyDeleteI see your point, but if, say, someone accidentally ran me over with their car, but then acted admirably, even heroically, I'd still sue their ass.
The bad cases are when you get sued because you were there. I was once (long ago) riding a bike on the *shoulder of the road* when I witnessed a car accident. As I saw everything, I stayed... until the guilty party started pointing at me claiming that I was driving *on the road* in an erratic manner, and it was all my fault. I then pedaled like hell out of there...
I once dated a nurse. We saw a rather bad car accident. She refused to give aid, stating that she'd never get sued for not helping, but could of a matter of course if she did, and as she wasn't working, she had no liability coverage.
But I digress...
What is Devinder in trouble for? Not alleged fraud, but alleged negligence:
"“In our claim we allege negligence against Devinder Shory in his capacity as a lawyer,” Ralph Marranca, BMO’s director of public relations, said in an email.
“We do not allege fraud against him. We allege that he was negligent in the way he acted as counsel for both (BMO) and the straw buyer in four transactions in which the bank has suffered a loss of approximately $300,000,” Marranca added."
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/805287--calgary-mp-devinder-shory-caught-up-bmo-mortgage-uproar
I see the other rambling drunk Fred From BC has taken a break from collecting empties by the railroad track to enlighten us with his wisdom and talking points.
ReplyDeleteFred from B.C. - Yes. There is ZERO evidence implicating Devinder Shory in any wrongdoing, and some bloggers need to be more careful with their language (you never know who might be lurking)....
ReplyDelete......you're the one who lurks - working for Harper are ya?
Didnt Gene and RuralSandi read Mark Francis' link:
ReplyDelete“We do not allege fraud against him. We allege that he was negligent in the way he acted as counsel for both (BMO) and the straw buyer in four transactions in which the bank has suffered a loss of approximately $300,000,”
Pretty crucial point. Being involved in a fraud and being negligent with respect to not detecting a fraud are miles apart in terms of moral culpability. That was a point I tried to make constantly with Conservatives with respect to the sponsorship scandal.
Forget all about criticism Think in positive way,Grow up kid.
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