While English Defense League co-founder Paul "Lionheart" Ray first fingered EDL money bags Alan Lake, another of the racist gang's leaders, Tommy Robinson, (buddy of JDL chieftain Meir Weinstein and the Shaidles) insists that, no, it was indeed Paul Ray that ushered the Norwegian Mass Murderer into The Knights Templar. And now, weirdly enough, Ray is suggesting that maybe he was Breivik's role model, though he still claims to never have met the man. All very confusing, but presumably the nice police officers investigating the various interactions of far right players in this case will be able to sort it out.
PS. Yesterday I was getting a ton traffic via Facebook from the UK to my original post on the topic. I think folks within the EDL were using it as evidence of the Ray=Breivik=English Mentor connection.
Just curious BCL.
ReplyDeleteYou have an impressive drive to try and root out the influences which lead idiot to an act of psychotic violence.
To be sure - the need to protect innocents from the acts of any terrorist is a worthy effort - particularly when almost 80 people are murdered in support of a "cause".
And yet.
As I search your archives, I don't see anything close to that curiousity in wondering about the sort of people who influenced:
- the attacks on September 11,2001 killing 3000 people;
- the people who influenced the attacks in Mumbai in 2008 killing 164 and wounding 308
- the U.S. Embassy bombings in east Africa where over 200 people were murdered and over 4000 were wounded
- the Beslan school massacre in 2004 where over 380 people died, including 176 children;
- the 2007 Yazdi suicide bombings in Iraq where 796 people were killed and 1,562 people were wounded;
- the Cinema Rex fire attack in 1978 in Abadan, Iran, killing over 400 individuals;
- the 1998 Lockerbie bombings where 270 people were killed.
Should we be concerned over what brought about the Oslo killings? You bet your ass.. but it seems to me we might.. and I'm just spit-balling here.. we MIGHT want to also consider that MAYBE.. just MAYBE we might want to wonder about what brought about the killings of the other few thousand people in the past few decades.
No, you will typically see stuff on incidents closer to home, like CASMO's using clips from David Duke
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and Richard Warman's pursuit of Salman Hossain.
http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/2011/01/richard-warman-vs-salman-hossain-guess.html
And this is mostly because I think I can only be effective in the Canadian context.
By chance, I have some knoweldge of UK extremists, so I feel I can probably do something useful in this regard.
Should we be concerned over what brought about the Oslo killings? You bet your ass.. but it seems to me we might.. and I'm just spit-balling here.. we MIGHT want to also consider that MAYBE.. just MAYBE we might want to wonder about what brought about the killings of the other few thousand people in the past few decades.
ReplyDeleteThat would be racist!!
Joking aside, it is actually seen as racist in the "progressive" circles in which BCL wants to be popular, to examine the influences of islamic terrorists, beyond saying Israel and the US deserve it. Im not saying BCL thinks that, but rather he doesnt want to ingratiate himself to the people who do.
@RG
ReplyDeletespit-balling indeed, more like complaining, "well others did it too."
All the examples you gave have been subject to pretty serious scrutiny and it most of them boil down to irrational, desperate people being persuaded to do horrible things by evil people with a dogmatic certainty of the way things should be. Mix into that the usual appeals to patriotism and the life ever after and there you have it.
The Norwegian christian seems to think of himself as a leader acting as an example. Most of the other stuff was committed by foot soldiers and command remained at a distance.
This was a different type of attack and as such deserves analysing especially in the wake of statements about international collaboration made by the murderer.
All the examples you gave have been subject to pretty serious scrutiny and it most of them boil down to irrational, desperate people being persuaded to do horrible things by evil people with a dogmatic certainty of the way things should be.
ReplyDeleteAgreed.
Going to throw in this article from Jarkata on the root causes of terrorism. (Allowing more dissent is interesting. In the Canadian context the fall of the terrorist organization FLQ was followed by the rise of the separatist political party the PQs.)
This was a different type of attack and as such deserves analysing especially in the wake of statements about international collaboration made by the murderer.
Yeah. Breivik mentioned two other cells and links to other groups who'll carry on the violence. This might be the rantings of a jerk, but to be safe, why not dig a bit in his connections? And Breivik, unlike most lone-wolf terrorists, seemed well-connected -- Freemason and a Norwegian Progress party member. He even seemed to follow a number of political blogs and claimed to know EDL members.
I think we need to concerned especially many people involved in killing.
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