Rearranging The Deck Chairs On The Good Ship Denial, Part Duh

This is probably "inside baseball" type stuff of limited interest, but what the hell...

Industry lobbyist David Wojick has given up ownership of the climatesceptics mailing list, citing dissatisfaction with the direction of the list. Co-owner and moderator John Shotsky has taken over. Here's a glimpse of John in action (on a different list):

You seem to forget one thing....EMF's can be measured. No one has been able to validate any of your whacky ideas because no validation of any part of it has happened. It hasn't happened, because it is a crock of shit. You cannot measure what is not there.So why don't you crawl back in your hole and leave reasonable people to debate what is even possible? Haven't you learned from all the other groups that have kicked you and your crackpot ideas off?

Get real. Even better, get a client, seeing as you're a lawyer, not a scientist.Let me repeat that - NOT a scientist.

John

The membership of climatesceptic includes such luminaries of the denialist movement as Tim Ball and Ernst Beck. It is often where you see "refutations" of AGW appear first, before they get fed up the chain to MSM outlets like Fox News. The list's most impressive accomplishment has probably been FREEPING the crap out of Hans von Storch and Dennis Bray's second on-line survey of climate scientists, thus rendering suspect an important piece of scientific research.

Climate Skeptics On Christian Environmentalism, Redux

Overheard in the Climate Skeptic's Cafe.

Noel Sheppard of Newsbusters, August 28th, 2007:

Folks,

If religious leaders are going to get in on the con, we're in
trouble: (link)

Sonja A Boehmer-Christiansen, Editor of Energy and Environment, on Sept. 16, 2007:

Right, and likely. Think of the much desired power (control over behaviour) this promises to religious groups.
Sonja

Interesting in that Sonja appears as one of the non-Evangelicals with "special expertise in climatology or related sciences" to sign “A Call to Truth, Prudence, and Protection of the Poor: An Evangelical Response to Global Warming.”. This open letter was itself a rebuttal to “Climate Change: An Evangelical Call to Action”, which urged that Evangelicals take ownership of and take action on the climate change issue.

According to Sonja, the signatories to this latter document desire power, and should presumably be discouraged.

Here Comes The Sun (Again)

Rumblings from the Deniers' Cafe suggest that theskeptic community will attempt to use this recent discovery to resurrect the whole Sun-as-driver-behind-Global-Warming meme:

Scientists from the Ulysses mission have proven that sounds generated deep inside the Sun cause the Earth to shake and vibrate in sympathy. They have found that Earth's magnetic field, atmosphere and terrestrial systems, all take part in this cosmic sing-along.

They haven't figured out how, yet, but I imagine some charts and graphs, and maybe a paper in E&E, are to come.