Friday, January 29, 2010

Back To Square One With C-15?

"Enough is enough,” the Conservative email says, adding that the government will introduce Bill C-15, which imposes mandatory jail time for serious drug offences, in the Senate. The Liberals gutted it, the email says, but the Tories will bring it back in its original form.
I may be wrong, but this sounds to me as if the bill will have to wend its way from the starting gate through both chambers. (But someone correct me if I'm misunderstanding Senate procedures). Anyone wanna predict how far along it is before Harper pulls the plug again and restarts the whole process a third time?

11 comments:

Tof KW said...

Yawn! We all know C-15 is bad law and designed solely to make the Libs look 'soft on crime', and to keep those Harpobot lemmings donating to the CPoC.

C-15 has to go back to the starting gate, unless there is all-party agreement to restore the bill to its legislative state prior to prorogation – and that isn’t bloody likely. Unless there is some parliamentary loophole I'm not aware of, this is all typical Harper BS. Even if they did try to reintroduce this via the senate, the PMO is assuming a lot if they think the Progressive Conservative and independent senators will just rubber stamp it.

However, just a thought. When the opposition does not agree to restore the bill, I guess this does give Harper the chance to call all the opposition parties ‘soft on crime’. The Grits should fight back by opposing this bill (this time around) and telling the Canadian public what a financial disaster this would create should it ever become law. Just show the US experience as proof.

wilson said...

from CTV, restart in the Senate,
not back to HoC

'Bills that had not made it entirely through Senate debates, committee hearings and votes at the time of prorogation will have to go back to the starting line 'in the upper chamber'.

'But prorogation means those amendments cease to exist and both bills will head back to the legislative starting line 'in the Senate'.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20100104/gun_control_100104/20100104?hub=QPeriod

Tof KW said...

Nice to know wilson's still dropping her turds of wisdom all over the lib blogs.

wilson said...

I dropped a CTV turd TofKW, easily found by google.

Ti-Guy said...

No, Wilson. You dined at CTV and defecated here.

Stop pretending you're being helpful. No one buys it, since everyone knows your nothing but a fucking troll.

Big Winnie said...

Bill C-15 which was the former Bill C-26 (introduced 2007), got clobbered for the second time.



How tough on crime are these people? It's all about the optics.

Tof KW said...

Though it pains me to say so, wilson is correct that the Harpernauts are trying to re-introduce it in the senate. However if past history is any example, it does not have a snowball's chance in hell of passing. From the CBC:
UPDATED: MinisterialSpinWatch: Justice Delayed? Don't blame the Senate.

UPDATE: Ooh, apparently the minister is going to give that new plurality a test run by re-introducing C-15 -- in its original form -- in the Senate instead of the House. Which at first sounds like a brilliant strategic move - that is, unless you've paid enough attention to the Upper House over the years to know that if there's one thing its denizens hate, it's being treated like a rubber stamp for the government, regardless of the party in power, but that's a post in itself -- but it also means that the Senate-approved version of C-15 may end up languishing in the queue with all those other justice bills that never seem to make it past second reading. Which means that if it dies on a future Order Paper, he won't even be able to pretend to blame the Senate for dragging its heels.

Again, more sectarian, polarized, political games from Harper instead of, you know, actual good government.

Tof KW said...

Big Winnie said...
How tough on crime are these people? It's all about the optics.

Of course it is. It's all to keep fools like wilson donating to the CPoC to 'teach those leftards a lesson'. If they were actually serious about reducing crime, they'd actually budget more money for policing & crime prevention projects with the various municipalities. Stupid 'lock 'em up & throw away the keys' law does nothing but overcrowd jails. Actual crime rates don't go down one iota.

Ti-Guy said...

Though it pains me to say so, wilson is correct..

She's usually technically correct on a very small point when she's got a link, which is probably why she showed up in the first place. When she doesn't have anything documented to refer to, what comes out of her head all on its own demonstrates just what a petty void she is.

As you discovered, these things are never cut-and-dried. Failure to recognise that is one of the big reasons the Right is always wrong. It's essentially what JS Mill meant when he asserted that most stupid people are conservative. They're conservative in precisely that way.

Terry 1 said...

ti-guy if you think wilson has diaherra here you should see the defecation over on Taylor's site where he protects idots like her and canadian (non)sense among others.

Ti-Guy said...

Lookit what Wilnot did over at MacLean's: In a post that catches newly-appointed Senator Runciman flagrantly plagiarising, she takes both hands to spread her cheeks wide and dumps a thick, steaming non sequitur into the comment punch bowl.