Friday, December 19, 2008

Michael Ignatieff: A Liberal Idealist With Neo-Conservative Impulses?

It being a slow news day, I have nothing to offer but this article on Iggy's foreign policy from Embassy Magazine. It offers nothing in the way of new information, but does go some way to explaining why many within the Liberal party view Ignatieff with discomfort.

Incidentally, of all the reasons to criticize Iggy's support the invasion of Iraq, one that doesn't get alot of play is the fact that he had already seen several years of things going wrong in Afghanistan and Kosovo. Empire Lite is an extended bitch against the same kind of mismanagement (nation building "on the cheap", he calls it) that has afflicted the U.S. occupation of Iraq.

One might argue that: fool me once, shame on you; fool me thrice, shame on me.

(Although as fodder for attack ads I think this stuff is mostly water lone gone under the bridge. I suspect now the line of attack will be his "installation" as Lib Leader, which won't work, and his status as an "intellectual", which might cut a little more sharply.)


janfromthebruce said...

How many degrees of separation are between Iggy and Harper? Enough said.
He is the new liberal Messiah, being gift wrapped as a liberal idealist - whatever that evokes in the imagination of misrepresentation.
Some child, after seeing his picture in the paper said, "he looks like the Grinch who stole Christmas." Out of the mouth of babes ~ enough said.

RuralSandi said...

C'mon - JanfromtheBruce - you know darn well that some child was in an article by the extreme right wing and idiotic Sun writer Lisa Corbella (this woman has a real problem with facts).

Nice try though in your ever, neverending attack on Liberals.

C'mon - look at your guy Layton - want to buy a used car from that guy?

Reality Bites said...

What kind of idiot actually uses "enough said" not once, but twice in two paragraphs and actually thinks it's a clincher to an argument?

Oh - janfromtheruce is that kind of idiot. Enough said indeed.

LeDaro said...

Iggy's views on foreign affairs are worrisome –a strong supporter of Iraq war and imperialistic views. Time will tell how he evolves as a leader.

T said...

What kind of idiot actually uses "enough said" not once, but twice in two paragraphs


LOL, that is a good point.

Ti-Guy said...

Moonbat Jan's the type of person who's always dissuaded me from voting NDP.

Imagine her at a policy convention? I don't think she shuts up easily.

Anonymous said...

well some "conservatives" try to get the CHRC to do their job, but alas, no luck

"Marc Lebuis, the publisher of the Quebec blog Point de Bascule, filed a complaint with the CHRC back in April, after reading a hateful book called "Islam or Integration?" "Islam or Fundamentalism" (thanks to reader John for the translation correction.) You can see a copy of the book in its entirety here. (It's in French.)

The book plainly meets all the tests of section 13, including the jurisdictional test -- it was written by a radical Muslim cleric here in Canada, named Abou Hammaad Sulaiman Al-Hayiti, and it was published on the Internet by him, too.

More importantly, Al-Hayiti's book seethes with hate. According to Lebuis's careful notes, it included statements such as these (I've included only a portion of them):


* Homosexuals and lesbians should be "exterminated in this life"
* "Homosexuals caught performing sodomy are beheaded"


* Most Infidels “live like animals”
* "sending our sons and daughters to the schools of the Infidels has devastating effects on their beliefs, their behavior and their character. For the children of Infidels are the most pervert children. At a very early age, they adopt the behavior of their parents "

Men are superior to women

* "men are superior to women and better than them". In general, "men have a more complete intellect and memory than women"

Muslim women are superior to Infidel women

* "The veiled Muslim woman is a light in the darkness of the 20th century, she carries the torch of modesty, of chastity and of Islamic values"
* “male Infidels will not be happy with us until our women are in their beds, in their magazines and in their dancing clubs !”
* "If a Muslim woman marries a non-Muslim man ... their marriage is invalid, in fact it is adultery"

Muslims are superior to Infidels

* "... a Muslim must never put his brother in Islam at the same level as an Infidel. In fact, to place Infidels at equality with Muslims is one of the greatest form of ignorance and injustice"
* "The rule is that the most disobedient among Muslims is better than the most virtuous, the most polite, the most honest and the most loyal among the Infidels"


* "It is because of this religion of lies, which goes against human nature, that the West is now full of perversity, corruption and adultery"


* Jews "spread corruption and chaos on earth"
* Most Jews "seek only material goods and money, apart from that, they have nothing"


* "owning slaves is not prohibited"
* "Allah has allowed men to marry two, three or four women, but one who fears he will not be fair can marry only one or have slaves."

Democracy is contrary to Islam. Jihad is a duty of sedition

* "Democracy is a system in total contradiction with Islam"
* "... freedom is unknown in Islam, it contradicts Islam, therefore it is a false concept"
* "[freedom] serves to justify corruption" and "stooping to the lowest levels of bestiality"
* “Anyone who leaves Islam, cut his neck”
* in an Islamic state, Christians and Jews can keep their religion but they must pay a sum of money, the Jizyah. "The purpose of the Jizyah is to humiliate and punish Infidels to encourage them to accept Islam." The other Infidels (Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, etc.) have no options but to accept Islam or “be killed"

Ti-Guy said...

Gawd, I hate blogs.

bigcitylib said...

Actually, it doesn't seem to meet the requirements of Section 13. In any case, I will be publishing a short statement by the Imam either later today or tomorrow