Sunday, September 27, 2009

Next Week, Jack And Gilles Will Receive Their Poison Pill


...and it will be a suppository.

Liberals stay strong. It is the job of the official opposition to oppose. Besides, Jack will almost certainly prove most suppliant.


Or Gilles will. I like these pictures of Gilles. They show him recieving earlier poison pills.

25 comments:

CanadianSense said...

How does it benefit the Liberal Party to attack the Bloc and NDP for voting a case by case basis on the Policies of the CPC?

The Liberals were explaining their position reasonably well against those attacks.

Are those points used by the Liberal Party no longer valid?

I thought the Liberals and the CPC had very good arguements attacking the credibility of the NDP who refused to view the Bill before voting against it.

Have the Liberals changed their position from Sudbury regarding policies of the CPC?

They did promise to vote against the CPC 100% of the time on Sept 1, 2009. They have now adopted the NDP position?

Cherniak_WTF said...

How does it benefit the Liberal Party to attack the Bloc and NDP for voting a case by case basis on the Policies of the CPC?
It deflects from the fact that Iggy is impotent with his putting the government on "probation".

OR that Iggy supported Harper for the last 10 months or so...

Can't loose track of those optics can we? Of course all igliots don't really understand the hypocrisy or irony of it...

wilson said...

I'm confused as to whether PMSH is still on probation or not.
Does the probation end upon this the final report card?
Will MI grade him?
Was the probationary period ended when Libs decided to vote against the government on every matter,
or was it over when Libs passed the the first ways and means motion?

Is MI 'done with Harper' yet?

Dylan said...

hilarious post!

Ti-Guy said...

I'm confused...

Understatement of the century.

devinjohnston said...

"It is the job of the official opposition to oppose."

Do you really believe that? If so, your view of democracy is very grim.

I think the job of the official opposition is twofold. First, they must bring critical analysis to bear on the government (note that critical does not always mean negative). Second, their job is to try to serve all Canadians by ensuring that we get balanced policies which reflect the diverse needs and interests of the population.

I would argue that the Liberals have failed on both counts. When they were willing to rubber stamp everything Harper did, they weren't in a position to secure meaningful policy concessions. Now that they are per se against anything the government does, they still aren't in a position to secure meaningful policy concessions. Way to make yourself irrelevant, Liberals.

wilson said...

So, after a bit of searching,
re: Lib amendment,
reportcards in March, June and December.
The budget already had report days in it, and the NB report is to keep a budget promise.

So, probation has been over since Libs voted against the ways and means motion, support withdrawn.

Gayle said...

Boy - some of you seem to be under the impression that political parties act on a principled basis and without regard to their own interests.

What an odd thing to believe.

Whether or not you agree, the LPC have explained why they are now opposing Harper. Obviously it is spin, but the fact they have done a 180 is no less principled than the fact the NDP have done the same. People who were criticizing the LPC and praising the NDP 18 months ago are now doing the same notwithstanding the fact the parties have switched positions. Those people are no less hypocritical and unprincipled than the parties they either laud or criticize.

So let's cut to the chase. The reason the LPC propped up the CPC was because they could not afford an election. That is exactly why the NDP opposed the CPC at every turn, and submitted confidence motions designed to embarass the LPC.

Now they have switched positions, and have adopted each other's motivation. Ignatieff said the LPC would no longer support the CPC and now Layton has to do so if he wants to avoid an election.

The CPC want to ensure Layton stays strong so it is in their interests to avoid an election until the NDP numbers go up. This is also an unprincipled approach - not unlike the last election call.

None of them are making decisions based on what is best for the country (though the results of the decisions may have the effect of benefitting the country).

The LPC will submit their non confidence motion. The NDP will prop up the government and we can all go back to arguing about other things until the spring.

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CanadianSense said...

Gayle

well said, I did not attack the Lib for getting their house in order, but did attack the NDP for chiding the Liberals.

Now the Liberals have become the NDP.

In both cases each party has failed the public interest in providing a loyal or effective opposition.

RuralSandi said...

Geez, CBL - you've brought the NDP and Con trolls out in full force.

Wilson - why is Harper playing games with OUR money, on Yon Kippur? Why "isn't he man" enough to update parliament - in parliament? Becuase he's campaigning on OUR taxpayer money and the hypocracy of the right bitching about spending ans taxes letting him away with spending with our taxes for his own benefit is really laughable.

NDP - if you really cared for the people - why didn't you vote for the budget to get things started? Why, because the onus wasn't on Layton and the NDP and he could play Mr. Toughy at the time - now the onus is on him and he has cowered.
CWTF - why the need for name calling? Should we be calling you names, like BLOCheads or something. Grow up.

Gayle said...

CS - and the CPC have failed Canadians by putting their own interests first. Hence ill advised tax cuts, foolish expensive programs like the child tax credit, playig games with crime bills, using our tax dollars to promote their party, etc. etc.

CanadianSense said...

Gayle in your opinion those programs make no sense.

The Polls do not reflect your opinion is supported by the majority of voters.

Those changes have been voted on and the CPC have gained seats in 2008.

In Sept 2009 they are polling near 2008 with all the "bad news" from the LiberalParty and opposition.

The public is not buying what your party is selling. It is empty rhetoric.

Canadians tossed out the PC, Lib, when they had enough.

When we have had enough we will toss the CPC. Bet on it!

Your outrage and unhappiness is not shared by regular voters.

Good luck with trying to rationalize why the Liberals are unable to win on any issues-Nik Nanos Poll.

Goodluck with voters blaming Ignatieef for not trying to make parliament work. (15% national)

Harper scores 43.8%

Gayle said...

Thanks for making my point for me CS.

The CPC have chosen policies that are good for their party, not ones that are good for the country.

They know a GST cut is a vote getter and so they go ahead with it no matter how many economists warn them. And now look what we have - a deep deep deficit - one that would have been smaller and easier to get out of had the government maintained the GST at 7%.

Did you happen to notice the damning criticism of the CPC "super prisons" plan? Did you happen to notice the way the CPC defended that plan was by attacking the criticism as coming from a "professor"?

Do you really think it is good for the country to denigrate education and knowledge? Is it good to govern on the basis of ideology instead of facts?

I know, I know - you believe that if something is a widely held belief, that belief magically comes true. I guess the earth really was flat all those centuries ago.

Not that we do not get the government we deserve. People are not interested in honesty and good government. We have created this monster.

CanadianSense said...

Gayle

what point?

You deny historical facts of what actually the Liberal Party did in their 13 years?

I understand being blind and pretending those cuts in transfers never took place under the neo-Liberals led by Chretien/Martin.

I also accept your tunnel vision and refusal to admit Billions were mismanaged under the neo-Liberals.

Your point about the EI changes found illegal by the Supreme Court?

Your denial of what did take place is just a reminder of why your represent the WORST in bloggers.

You only blame others and refuse to hold the neo-Liberals for their track record.

You blame voters, media and everyone for not keeping the Liberals in power.

I never voted for the PC party, was a life long liberal and have left the party. I don't drink the kool-aid from any party.

I find fault in the current gov't on many issues, but compared to the sorry state of affairs in the LPC, my vote would go to the NDP before the Liberals.

The Liberals can't even keep their unofficial leadership replacement nominations quiet.

Sheesh.

rockfish said...

The Liberals have not become the NdP. The Liberals have gone beyond duty to make parliament work, to give the government an opportunity to show they can work in a minority situation, have helped get economic stimulus into the budget and into the hands of the people. That support was not carte blanche. Just as they gave their support for a reason, they can withdraw it for another -- like blatant mishandling of infrastructure funds. Or complete butchery of the fiscal foundation -- which doesn't mean they should not be spending but HOW they are spending and NOT accountable. Show me an instance, beyond the one of Harper telling his agents to sit on their hands for one vote, where Harper and the CONs made minority work while in opposition? No, he opposed. One could call it crass politics, or one could say he was doing his job. Or a bit of both. Funny how CONs refuse to admit the truth.

Ti-Guy said...

Geez, CBL - you've brought the NDP and Con trolls out in full force.

Notice how they sound the same.

Ti-Guy said...

I find fault in the current gov't on many issues, but compared to the sorry state of affairs in the LPC, my vote would go to the NDP before the Liberals.

Great. So you're done.

Bye bye, now.

In light of the Conservatives having tabled the biggest budget in history *and* are now responsible for a gi-normous deficit, I don't think too many Liberals are really interested in yet another forensic examination of the Liberals' 13-year record of fiscal management.

CanadianSense said...

Rockfish do you have a report from the Auditor General stating gross mismanagement of government programs?

No, you refer to a partisan Liberal report presented by Kennedy with the help of his four of his staff "how we spent our summer" , who contacted 50% of the projects.


Apparently your demands rely on a partisan report that is incomplete and not audited by a non partisan third party.

I will like the majority of Canadians who are NOT interested in the Liberal party. The Polls are very clear. Confirmed Liberal voters are not interested in returning to another general election.

The Liberal Party is being blamed for their hyperpartisan divisive political games. They are only gaining support in Quebec. In every other province the leadership, managemen of issues, Michael Ignatieff is a dud.

Coderre resigned today because his leader is threw him and the star candidate in front of the bus.

Bob Rae made his public statement after the leader made his view known.

Who is running your party? Rae, Coderre, Cauchon, Jean Chretien?

Gayle said...

Shockingly, in a rather obvious and clumsy attempt to avoid addressing my questions, CS has resorted, yet again, to claiming I am saying something I am not.

Are you so deluded that you think no one will notice?

I will have to assume you are simply unable to address the argument, by which I take it you accept the CPC put their own self interest before that of the Canadian people.

By the way, I am not a liberal.

Rockfish - I tend to agree, but you cannot discount the fact the LPC were in no position to go into an election, which the CPC and the NDP were more than happy to exploit.

Ti-Guy said...

CanadianSense:

No, you refer to a partisan Liberal report presented by Kennedy with the help of his four of his staff "how we spent our summer" , who contacted 50% of the projects.

As surveys go, that's about as good as it gets.

I'm sure you'll come rushing back here to recant if/when a third-party audit reveals that this report wasn't far off the mark.

CanadianSense said...

Ti-guy

are those facts regarding the partisan incomplete report from Kennedy in dispute?

No!

It is an incomplete report prepare by an opponent of the government reviewing only 50% of the projects.

BTW keep attacking the Premier, MPP, City officials in your attempt to attack the Federal government.

Ti-Guy said...

are those facts regarding the partisan incomplete report from Kennedy in dispute?

No!


Because *you* dispute them, right?

That's not an argument.

It is an incomplete report prepare by an opponent of the government reviewing only 50% of the projects.

Please demonstrate (with documented evidence, not just with assertions that springs from your beautiful mind) how that affects the findings of the report.

BTW keep attacking the Premier, MPP, City officials in your attempt to attack the Federal government.

This is addressed to someone else, obviously.

Gayle, I still believe he's here in good faith. Good faith doesn't mean the same thing as bright.

Gayle said...

Yes well, the fact he chose to post under the name "Canadian Sense" demonstrates his ego is bigger than his sense of reality.

CanadianSense said...

Why would I dispute if the Liberals "cherry pick" out details?

Every party does it. Some bloggers as well.

Bodybags is a perfect example. Did they ship them as part of a routine shipment with other supplies?

Liberals reported the Bodybags were shipped ignoring everything else for faux outrage.

The Liberals ignore every piece of good news to highlight anything negative.

Does the attack resonate with the regular voter filter is not working for the Liberal Party. Perception vs Reality article written by Adam Radwanski in the Globe and Mail in August explains the disconnect.

Our OECD numbers for the whole year comparison vs others?

Liberals cherry picked Q2 to show a dramatic drop.

Voters are simply not buying the attacks as credible.